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| posted: 2017-03-29 02:21:16 (ID: 100101418) Report Abuse | |
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Rock777 wrote:
To be fair, the data has been presented before. Holly posted it in the discussion forum. If you want to dispute Holly's data, you should provide your own. I have seen a couple people post data sets showing inflated numbers for SG4 (Holly's was based on RZA Elite data), I have yet to see anyone post data showing the opposite. The burden of proof exists in both directions. No one has said that the statement is incorrect though? |
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posted: 2017-03-29 02:31:03 (ID: 100101419) Report Abuse |
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Which statement are you talking about? Did you read Meitheisman's last post?
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| posted: 2017-03-29 03:11:25 (ID: 100101422) Report Abuse | |
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I read it as meaning that if we had the information that Pete does then it would appear more balanced than how the current data has been read.
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posted: 2017-03-29 03:41:47 (ID: 100101424) Report Abuse |
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Nope. Meitheisman asked for data in several posts, and is saying without data, he doesn't believe the statement. I was pointing out that the data has already been posted. If you want to not believe the statement given the data, then all I can say is
Burden of proof exists both ways. And it makes no sense to ask for proof if you are just going to disregard it when it is given to you. |
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| posted: 2017-03-29 06:29:39 (ID: 100101432) Report Abuse | |
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I honestly can't remember the exact details of Holly's data. Did it have completion percentages? Did it take into account whether the teams in general were more geared to SG4 with strong fullbacks, FB coaches (no RB coaches?) and better receivers than tight ends? If it was just average yards then it didn't show that certains formations are better than others regardless of players and tactics.
I just think we need to figure out the best ways to stop the shotgun rather than asking Pete to make changes meaning we don't have to do anything. |
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posted: 2017-03-29 07:05:52 (ID: 100101436) Report Abuse |
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The burden of proof is not on both sides, it's on the side making a claim.
The OP started this thread claiming that formations are unbalanced. Until he can provide data to back it up the burden of proof will remain firmly in his camp no matter how much you try to spin things Rock. And regarding Holly's data it made me change my mind about sacks which lead me to fire my RB coach and hire a FB coach instead so when someone presents solid data to me I accept it and change my team's strategy. The OP in this thread hasn't provided anything more than words, meh. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-03-29 13:54:33 (ID: 100101512) Report Abuse |
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If you claim you don't believe another person, then you are making a claim. The burden of proof exists both ways. The concept that burden of proof doesn't exist for status quo is a fallacy.
I'm not saying you aren't correct. I'm just saying you haven't proven it either. I know I have had difficulty with both the formations passionatelad mentioned. I have yet to find an effective formation to stop the throw out of Big-I. I've tried 3-4-4, 3-3-5, 4-4-3, even Dime. I'm sure there is a way to stop it since it doesn't draw as much uproar as SG4. I just haven't seen it yet stopped. But then again I give up huge run yardage to SG4 defending with the 5-3-3 all the time. So to Meitheisman point its pretty difficult to spate the real statistical data from the RNG and team makeup data. Especially when the opponent is always changing. |
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posted: 2017-03-29 13:56:32 (ID: 100101513) Report Abuse |
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Meitheisman wrote:
when someone presents solid data to me I accept it and change my team's strategy. Pretty sure the post wasn't made with the intent of improving your team strategy. |
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posted: 2017-03-29 14:21:16 (ID: 100101517) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
If you claim you don't believe another person, then you are making a claim. The burden of proof exists both ways. The concept that burden of proof doesn't exist for status quo is a fallacy. I have not claimed that I don't believe him. I've said, several times now, that I need data to form an opinion. As for the burden of proof you're trolling, it doesn't exist both ways at all. If I claim that last night I went to the moon for dinner and you say that you don't believe me would you argue that the burden of proof is on both sides?  |
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