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Buddy Ryan
posted: 2017-07-21 19:23:27 (ID: 100110221) Report Abuse
thomastem wrote:
No one has mentioned the Texans. You don't get a better 1-2 punch rushing the passer than Watt and Clowney. The key to beating -G.O.A.T- is a pass rush without a blitz and they have that. If their 1st round rookie QB has a Prescott like coming out this team has the best chance. They can run the ball and have an All Star WR waiting for someone to get him the ball.


true, and they play in the AFC South, that always seems to help. If Watt comes back close to his former self, and Watson can perform like an average QB in his rookie year (it doesnt have to be Prescott level I think) they could be a contender in the mold of the broncos in mannings last (and not that great) year - dominant pass rush, solid O, great overall talent. getting rid of Osweiler really was huge...
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RavensFan
posted: 2017-07-22 21:50:12 (ID: 100110266) Report Abuse
Buddy Ryan wrote:
thomastem wrote:
No one has mentioned the Texans. You don't get a better 1-2 punch rushing the passer than Watt and Clowney. The key to beating -G.O.A.T- is a pass rush without a blitz and they have that. If their 1st round rookie QB has a Prescott like coming out this team has the best chance. They can run the ball and have an All Star WR waiting for someone to get him the ball.


true, and they play in the AFC South, that always seems to help. If Watt comes back close to his former self, and Watson can perform like an average QB in his rookie year (it doesnt have to be Prescott level I think) they could be a contender in the mold of the broncos in mannings last (and not that great) year - dominant pass rush, solid O, great overall talent. getting rid of Osweiler really was huge...


Well the Texans did lose AJ Bouye, so I'm not as convinced. This league today is a passing league and if you don't have an above average secondary to go along with the pass rush the QB will be able to find an open target before the rusher can reach him. And this wouldn't be a RavensFan comment without mentioning the Ravens soooo... the Ravens pass rush is probably just as good as he Texans (Terrell Suggs, Matt Judon, Tim Williams, Tyus Bowser just to name a few). Even though Tim Williams (and Tyus Bowser) are unproven, I think everyone knows Tim Williams was a steal in the draft, easily could've gone in the first round. He and Tyus Bowser should both have a decent year. I know people think Terrell won't be as good as last year, but he stayed and worked out with the Ravens this offseason instead of training by himself and said he feels he's in the best shape of his career. The Ravens also have THE top safety tandem in the NFL (Eric Weddle, Tony Jefferson). According to PFF, Weddle was the best safety last year and Tony was the fifth best. Not to mention Ladarius Webb is a backup, so if any of them go down, the unit will still be good. If jimmy Smith can stay healthy then the secondary could very well be top 5. Same goes for the defense as an entire unit.

*Justin Tucker is he best kicker in history and will break the record for longest field goal this season* Goodnight!
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oakbark
posted: 2017-07-22 23:22:36 (ID: 100110271)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
The Ravens pass rush is average at best and will be weaker this year

At ILB along side Mosely is weak

The DE have both gone and no upgrade on the roster

Slot is going to get burnt

Jefferson isn't as good as reported and is slow whilst Weddle is aging and decline is an issue. Neither has the speed to play FS so how exactly do you deploy them?

CB requires Smith to recover and hope the rookie defies the odds ( Rookie CB's even the very good ones struggle normally)

Then again in the Ravens thread you suggested this years unit had the potential to be as good as the Y2K unit, they aren't even in the same ballpark.

There is a weak pass rush, no deep safety other than a converted box safety without the speed or coverage skills to play there and an untested CB2 with no slot, the pass D is going to be lit up this year.


The Ravens seasons rests on Flacco overcoming these deficiencies or some serious stepping up and a new Ray Lewis and Ed Reed being found, in truth this team has no HoFers.

Last edited on 2017-07-22 23:32:10 by oakbark

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RavensFan
posted: 2017-07-23 18:59:13 (ID: 100110298)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
oakbark wrote:
The Ravens pass rush is average at best and will be weaker this year

At ILB along side Mosely is weak

The DE have both gone and no upgrade on the roster

Slot is going to get burnt

Jefferson isn't as good as reported and is slow whilst Weddle is aging and decline is an issue. Neither has the speed to play FS so how exactly do you deploy them?

CB requires Smith to recover and hope the rookie defies the odds ( Rookie CB's even the very good ones struggle normally)

Then again in the Ravens thread you suggested this years unit had the potential to be as good as the Y2K unit, they aren't even in the same ballpark.

There is a weak pass rush, no deep safety other than a converted box safety without the speed or coverage skills to play there and an untested CB2 with no slot, the pass D is going to be lit up this year.


The Ravens seasons rests on Flacco overcoming these deficiencies or some serious stepping up and a new Ray Lewis and Ed Reed being found, in truth this team has no HoFers.



Age doesn't matter. Look at James Harrison. Besides, Weddle was the highest graded safety last year, so I have yet to believe there will be any decline. CB does not require Marlon Humphrey to have a good year because he probably won't even start right away. The lineup for CB will be: CB1: Jimmy Smith CB2: Brandon Carr Slot CB: Maurice Canady or Brandon Boykin. Smith should be better because he trained with the Ravens instead of by himself because he's tired of getting injured. How do you know the pass rush will be weaker this year? There are no facts to back that up with. Ryan Shazier also said he believes CJ Mosley will be a future HoF so there's one candidate. The DE's last year weren't even that much better than the ones they have now. Bronson Kafusi and Chris Wormley will have a chance to prove themselves along with Brent Urban. Timmy Jernigan was inconsistent and Lawrence Guy was average. Kamalei Correa isn't viewed well because the ravens put too much on his shoulders in his first year. They constantly had him switching to inside and outside linebacker. This year he will only play one position. So why would the pass defense get lit up this year if they didn't even get lit up last year with no answer at CB 2 and having an average safety (Ladarius Webb) You really have no facts to back this up and The season won't totally rely on Flacco. Besides the Ravens hired Greg Roman to help with the run game. Just another person underestimating the Ravens. Some people (Shannon Sharpe) actually believe the Ravens can win the super bowl and Brandon Williams and Tony Jefferson believe the defense can be great. You can't tell me they can't if you haven't even seen them on the field yet.

(At least I'm not like Malik Jackson saying the Jags can win the Super Bowl)

Last edited on 2017-07-23 19:03:51 by RavensFan

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RavensFan
posted: 2017-07-23 19:33:38 (ID: 100110302)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
I can't believe you're making me do this but I do believe you're featured in this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEP1G6PcQO8

Last edited on 2017-07-23 19:34:39 by RavensFan

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Jiujitsutou
posted: 2017-07-23 21:46:40 (ID: 100110306) Report Abuse
NY Giants vs NE Patriots (yes for a third time) OR
Packers vs Steelers (comeone Tripple B vs Aaron "carry the Team singlehandedly" Rodgers , who wouldnt want that?) OR

Hou Texans vs NO Saints (Best Pass Off. vs One of if not the best Defense)
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MonsterT95
posted: 2017-07-24 08:26:57 (ID: 100110315) Report Abuse
RavensFan wrote:

Age doesn't matter. Look at James Harrison.



Don't forget to look at Jon Beason either

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oakbark
posted: 2017-07-30 23:03:53 (ID: 100110619) Report Abuse
Finally some bad news this off season for the Pats, Rob Ninkovich has retired, not a household name but a hell of a football player, this is a loss.


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MonsterT95
posted: 2017-07-31 14:29:37 (ID: 100110641) Report Abuse
oakbark wrote:
Finally some bad news this off season for the Pats, Rob Ninkovich has retired, not a household name but a hell of a football player, this is a loss.




He told coach belichick months ago - - > Kony Ealy
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oakbark
posted: 2017-07-31 19:31:55 (ID: 100110660) Report Abuse
MonsterT95 wrote:
oakbark wrote:
Finally some bad news this off season for the Pats, Rob Ninkovich has retired, not a household name but a hell of a football player, this is a loss.




He told coach belichick months ago - - > Kony Ealy


It had been rumoured for months, but it's going to be interesting to watch. Ealy is physically gifted, he's bigger stronger faster. He also had attitude problems at Carolina, whilst there have already been reports that he's incurre the wrath of Belicheck and been taken aside by both Kraft and -G.O.A.T- with the intention to sort him out. Ninko could simply flat out play with the work ethic and attitude to succeed and maximise his talents.
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