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| posted: 2018-06-05 17:48:51 (ID: 100129547) Report Abuse | |
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dell_g wrote:
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Hi Pete, I've been getting more and more bored and annoyed with the negative comments about the new engine (and I'm a team that only uses 3 offensive formations 33% each all game long and only passing to flanks...!), So I thought I'd run EVEN MORE "FREE" scrimmages to try and shut these nah sayers up...... In 24 scrimmages therefore 48 "games" worth of data (see below data) using shotgun formations 85% of the time and when passing it's about 66% flanks and 33% middle-ish, The total number of Fumbles and Interceptions aren't high AT ALL...., However I am seeing a high amount of Fumbles and Interceptions going for TD's... Regarding the number of TD's from Fumbles and Interceptions, is this something you can look into tweaking down a little? Thanks either way, RZA is awesome  
Data from 24 scrimmages so 48 "games" worth: - Avg # of Rushes per game = 28.92 Avg # of Passes per game = 40.98 Rushing: - Total # of Rushes = 1388 Total # of Fumbles = 23 Total # of Fumbles recovered = 8 Total # of Fumbles lost = 15 Total # of Fumbles lost for TD = 6 Total % of Fumbles per total Rushes = 1.66% -(doesn't seem high) Total % of Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 34.78% Total % of Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 65.22% Total % of Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost =40.00% - (seems high) Total # of Fumbles per game = 0.48 - (doesn't seem high) Total # of Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.13 Passing: - Total # of Passes = 1967 Total # of Interceptions = 42 Total # of Interceptions go for TD = 28 Total % of Interceptions per total Passes =2.14% - (doesn't seem high) Total % of Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 66.67% - (seems high) Right then chaps, I've collated 60 scrimmages so 120 "games" worth of data now and the "fumbles and interceptions ran back for TD's" is still a really high percentage..... I've put the "120 games" data below to compare to the above "48 games" data, it's pretty much the same, so can you look into tweaking the "fumbles and interceptions ran back for TD's" down abit please Pete?
Data from "120 games": - Avg # of Rushes per game = 28.59 Avg # of Passes per game = 42.17 Rushing: - Total # of Rushes = 3431 Total # of Fumbles = 64 Total # of Fumbles recovered = 17 Total # of Fumbles lost = 47 Total # of Fumbles lost for TD = 16 Total % of Fumbles per total Rushes = 1.87% - (still doesn't seem high) Total % of Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 26.56% Total % of Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 73.44% Total % of Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost =34.04% - (still seems high) Total # of Fumbles per game = 0.53 - (still doesn't seem high) Total # of Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.13 Passing: - Total # of Passes = 5060 Total # of Interceptions = 115 Total # of Interceptions go for TD = 72 Total % of Interceptions per total Passes =2.27% - (still doesn't seem high) Total % of Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 62.61% - (still seems high) Hi all, I have a further 39 scrimmages so 78 "games" worth of data using engine 4.43 and 4.44 analysed.... Looks like the TD's from fumbles are more realistic but Interceptions look to be worse When you are able to look into this further Pete can you check the Interceptions for TD's and maybe try tweaking it down more?: - # of Rushes per game = 21.04 # of Passes per game = 24.18 Rushing # of total Rushes = 2525 # of total Fumbles = 54 # of total Fumbles recovered = 19 # of total Fumbles lost = 35 # of total Fumbles lost for TD = 6 % of total Fumbles per total Rushes = 2.14% - (doesn't seem high) % of total Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 35.19% % of total Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 64.81% % of total Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost = 17.14% - (doesn't seems high anymore!) # of total Fumbles per game = 0.45 - (doesn't seem high) # of total Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.05 Passing # of total Passes = 2902 # of total Interceptions = 70 # of total Interceptions go for TD = 52 % of total Interceptions per total Passes = 2.41% - (doesn't seem high) % of total Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 74.29% - (seems even higher now?!) In my opinion using the data I've gained I think the number of Fumbles are fine now, however with the Interception rate going back for TD's is even higher I think this needs looking into when you are able to Pete? Gav Good morning all, I've done another 40 scrimmages so 80 "games" worth of data from engine 4.45 and the data is below..... Pete, the number of fumbles and interceptions has gone down again however the fumbles lost for TD has gone up from engine 4.43-4 and the number of Interceptions that go for TD's has reduced from engine 4.42 but is still way too high, can you investigate when you can please Pete? Thanks either way # of Rushes per game = 19.46 # of Passes per game = 28.50 Rushing # of total Rushes = 2335 # of total Fumbles = 41 # of total Fumbles recovered = 14 # of total Fumbles lost = 27 # of total Fumbles lost for TD = 12 % of total Fumbles per total Rushes = 1.76% - (lower again) % of total Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 34.15% % of total Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 65.85% % of total Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost = 44.44% - (seems high again) # of total Fumbles per game = 0.34 - (lower again) # of total Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.10 - (double from last time) Passing # of total Passes = 3420 # of total Interceptions = 76 # of total Interceptions go for TD = 46 % of total Interceptions per total Passes = 2.22% - (lower again) % of total Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 60.53% - (seems a bit lower than the first effort but still too high)  |
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| posted: 2018-06-09 09:36:27 (ID: 100129665) Report Abuse | |
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Engine 4.46, friendly only, changed calculation of turnovers for touchdowns
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| posted: 2018-06-09 16:46:14 (ID: 100129671) Report Abuse | |
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Is it me or is the 434 a much more effective tool against passing ? I am playing a former top team who just turned bit and did not care about the PB believing it would be like always and not worth watching. Instead it becomes a nail ôter and their 434standard defense seems not to allow many passes to go thru. Did you change something about the 434?
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dell_g wrote:
dell_g wrote:
dell_g wrote:
dell_g wrote:
Hi Pete, I've been getting more and more bored and annoyed with the negative comments about the new engine (and I'm a team that only uses 3 offensive formations 33% each all game long and only passing to flanks...!), So I thought I'd run EVEN MORE "FREE" scrimmages to try and shut these nah sayers up...... In 24 scrimmages therefore 48 "games" worth of data (see below data) using shotgun formations 85% of the time and when passing it's about 66% flanks and 33% middle-ish, The total number of Fumbles and Interceptions aren't high AT ALL...., However I am seeing a high amount of Fumbles and Interceptions going for TD's... Regarding the number of TD's from Fumbles and Interceptions, is this something you can look into tweaking down a little? Thanks either way, RZA is awesome
Data from 24 scrimmages so 48 "games" worth: - Avg # of Rushes per game = 28.92 Avg # of Passes per game = 40.98 Rushing: - Total # of Rushes = 1388 Total # of Fumbles = 23 Total # of Fumbles recovered = 8 Total # of Fumbles lost = 15 Total # of Fumbles lost for TD = 6 Total % of Fumbles per total Rushes = 1.66% -(doesn't seem high) Total % of Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 34.78% Total % of Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 65.22% Total % of Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost =40.00% - (seems high) Total # of Fumbles per game = 0.48 - (doesn't seem high) Total # of Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.13 Passing: - Total # of Passes = 1967 Total # of Interceptions = 42 Total # of Interceptions go for TD = 28 Total % of Interceptions per total Passes =2.14% - (doesn't seem high) Total % of Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 66.67% - (seems high) Right then chaps, I've collated 60 scrimmages so 120 "games" worth of data now and the "fumbles and interceptions ran back for TD's" is still a really high percentage..... I've put the "120 games" data below to compare to the above "48 games" data, it's pretty much the same, so can you look into tweaking the "fumbles and interceptions ran back for TD's" down abit please Pete?
Data from "120 games": - Avg # of Rushes per game = 28.59 Avg # of Passes per game = 42.17 Rushing: - Total # of Rushes = 3431 Total # of Fumbles = 64 Total # of Fumbles recovered = 17 Total # of Fumbles lost = 47 Total # of Fumbles lost for TD = 16 Total % of Fumbles per total Rushes = 1.87% - (still doesn't seem high) Total % of Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 26.56% Total % of Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 73.44% Total % of Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost =34.04% - (still seems high) Total # of Fumbles per game = 0.53 - (still doesn't seem high) Total # of Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.13 Passing: - Total # of Passes = 5060 Total # of Interceptions = 115 Total # of Interceptions go for TD = 72 Total % of Interceptions per total Passes =2.27% - (still doesn't seem high) Total % of Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 62.61% - (still seems high) Hi all, I have a further 39 scrimmages so 78 "games" worth of data using engine 4.43 and 4.44 analysed.... Looks like the TD's from fumbles are more realistic but Interceptions look to be worse When you are able to look into this further Pete can you check the Interceptions for TD's and maybe try tweaking it down more?: - # of Rushes per game = 21.04 # of Passes per game = 24.18 Rushing # of total Rushes = 2525 # of total Fumbles = 54 # of total Fumbles recovered = 19 # of total Fumbles lost = 35 # of total Fumbles lost for TD = 6 % of total Fumbles per total Rushes = 2.14% - (doesn't seem high) % of total Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 35.19% % of total Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 64.81% % of total Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost = 17.14% - (doesn't seems high anymore!) # of total Fumbles per game = 0.45 - (doesn't seem high) # of total Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.05 Passing # of total Passes = 2902 # of total Interceptions = 70 # of total Interceptions go for TD = 52 % of total Interceptions per total Passes = 2.41% - (doesn't seem high) % of total Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 74.29% - (seems even higher now?!) In my opinion using the data I've gained I think the number of Fumbles are fine now, however with the Interception rate going back for TD's is even higher I think this needs looking into when you are able to Pete? Gav Good morning all, I've done another 40 scrimmages so 80 "games" worth of data from engine 4.45 and the data is below..... Pete, the number of fumbles and interceptions has gone down again however the fumbles lost for TD has gone up from engine 4.43-4 and the number of Interceptions that go for TD's has reduced from engine 4.42 but is still way too high, can you investigate when you can please Pete? Thanks either way # of Rushes per game = 19.46 # of Passes per game = 28.50 Rushing # of total Rushes = 2335 # of total Fumbles = 41 # of total Fumbles recovered = 14 # of total Fumbles lost = 27 # of total Fumbles lost for TD = 12 % of total Fumbles per total Rushes = 1.76% - (lower again) % of total Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 34.15% % of total Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 65.85% % of total Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost = 44.44% - (seems high again) # of total Fumbles per game = 0.34 - (lower again) # of total Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.10 - (double from last time) Passing # of total Passes = 3420 # of total Interceptions = 76 # of total Interceptions go for TD = 46 % of total Interceptions per total Passes = 2.22% - (lower again) % of total Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 60.53% - (seems a bit lower than the first effort but still too high) Final review.... 4.46 Engine is much better Pete, almost too good BUT I did do about 30% passes down the middle so maybe MY playbook is a bit more "balanced". 39 scrimmages so 78 "games" worth of data with 4.46 Engine: - # of Rushes per game = 18.78 # of Passes per game = 26.53 Rushing # of total Rushes = 2253 # of total Fumbles = 44 # of total Fumbles recovered = 8 # of total Fumbles lost = 36 # of total Fumbles lost for TD = 4 % of total Fumbles per total Rushes = 1.95% - (normal again) % of total Fumbles recovered per total Fumbled = 18.18% % of total Fumbles lost per total Fumbled = 81.82% - (seems higher than last time) % of total Fumbles lost for TD against total Fumbles Lost = 11.11% - (much better) # of total Fumbles per game = 0.37 - (normal again) # of total Fumbles lost for TD per game = 0.03 - (much better) Passing # of total Passes = 3183 # of total Interceptions = 90 # of total Interceptions go for TD = 12 % of total Interceptions per total Passes = 2.83% - (seems higher than last time) % of total Interceptions go for TD against total Intercepted = 13.33% - (much better) Any chance this engine can replace the current engine in the league matches straight away or are you waiting for the new season Pete? Either way, thanks for listening Last edited on 2018-06-12 19:48:42 by dell_g |
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Meitheisman wrote:
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39 scrimmages so 78 "games" worth of data with 4.46 Engine: - # of Rushes per game = 18.78 # of Passes per game = 26.53 You divided the number of rushes and passes by 120 instead of 78 so at least these two numbers are wrong, you might want to give your spreadsheet another look. Doh! Yep, that was the only manual thing I had to do and forgot....! |
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posted: 2018-06-16 14:03:01 (ID: 100129806) Report Abuse |
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regarding turnovers.. I was shocked to witness my recent game. It was my first time to see my team score on three turnovers.. Are we sure that new engine is still not in play? |
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Balbinjj wrote:
game regarding turnovers.. I was shocked to witness my recent game. It was my first time to see my team score on three turnovers.. Are we sure that new engine is still not in play? The original 4.42 engine that was creating td's from fumbles and interceptions is still the league engine so your game is "typical", hopefully Pete will change the game engine when possible |
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