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marinarul10
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posted: 2019-04-26 12:21:25 (ID: 100139281) Report Abuse |
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Kanar wrote:
Not a big fan of the idea of intermediate league, no matter the format. What I like in the game is the fact we can stay with the same managers for a while and develop kind of a community. The Sea Devil one is great and I enjoyed it way more than my time in Elite. The idea of being stuck for a while in an intermediate league does not look appealing to me. If you promote straight to Elite right now you will be in a division of 4 Seadevils.....if you will promote in a future Intermediate League, there you will find two Sea Devil divisions, so 8 Sea Devil teams in your league....you are right, Sea Devil community is great but the benefits of competitiveness of the Intermediate League compare with the fact that you will be in a league of 8 out of 32 Sea Devil teams is much much greater .... and don`t forget that in your Intermediate league will have also 8 Admirals teams, 8 Galaxy teams and 8 Thunder teams ( this is just an example) , so the possibility of great challenges are endless .... |
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| posted: 2019-04-26 13:10:21 (ID: 100139282) Report Abuse | |
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So basically it would remove the current 8 best teams of Seadevil League 1? No thank you. I really do not like this alternative landscape.
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marinarul10
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posted: 2019-04-26 14:35:20 (ID: 100139285) Report Abuse |
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Kanar wrote:
So basically it would remove the current 8 best teams of Seadevil League 1? No thank you. I really do not like this alternative landscape. I respect your opinion but how i see it, the best 8 Sea Devils teams will play against each other and against other 24 best 8 teams in other D1 leagues .... the competitiveness issue will be fix at all levels ... |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2019-04-27 05:54:46 (ID: 100139295) Report Abuse |
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Kanar wrote:
Not a big fan of the idea of intermediate league, no matter the format. What I like in the game is the fact we can stay with the same managers for a while and develop kind of a community. The Seadevil one is great and I enjoyed it way more than my time in Elite. The idea of being stuck for a while in an intermediate league does not look appealing to me. The problem is not Elite is too hard. It is some league 1 not being competitive enough to guarantee any promoted team in Elite will be good enough. Every seasons we have promoted teams that show than when you work well, you can compete. I reached the conference final on my first season. Dalton reached the wild card. Leeds went straight back to the conference. SVM was relegated but at 8-8. Barmbeck reached immediately the final. The Ravens got relegated at 10-6. For Seadevil, only season 32 over the last 6 seasons was terrible for both promoted managers. I am sure we can see the same trend on other leagues too. I am convinced that we can make it work with the current structure if we can improve the level in league 1. Also let’s not fool ourself. Except for a few exceptions, I think all the competitive managers in Elite are great at building teams, but also great at building and adapting playbooks for each opponent. That's great for SeaDevils but this region is an exception. In Thunder it has been 20 seasons since someone other than Landru and the Bears stayed up, in Galaxy OC and SDB pretty much guarantee that any promoted team will go straight back down, in Claymore and Monarchs there is only 1 competitive team in Elite. There is a huge inbalance problem between the 8 regions. Maybe an intermediate league isn't the best solution but said inbalance needs to be addressed somehow imo. |
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daithimt
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posted: 2019-04-27 06:21:10 (ID: 100139296) Report Abuse |
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In fairness, if an intermediate league was added Bears and Landru would still dominate Thunder and OC and SDB would still dominate Galaxy. Imo all that would do is turn 1.1 into a ghost town. And regarding the lack of quality in 1.1; teams regularly go 16-0/15-1/14-2 in Elite.
The best solution I've seen was by jack6 (I think), and that was to engage the community and help each other out. I played a few years ago in Sea Devils but left because of changes in real life, I'm back now (in Thunder because of time zones) because I remember the community being really solid. If it wasn't for the activity in the forums then, I probably wouldn't have returned - I do thoroughly enjoy the game but I have a family now so my time is limited and the forums give it that little edge to rejoin. Pete has changed the structure this year so there is unlikely to be another big change until we see how this goes. There have been over 300 posts on this topic so maybe if instead of discussing this we focused on building a community in our league there would be more managers like me rejoining, or maybe it would give some managers that little boost to stay instead of leaving (which Buziano has already mentioned about SeaDevils) and this is how we will create more competition imo. |
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| posted: 2019-04-27 06:22:21 (ID: 100139297) Report Abuse | |
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I agree with this last part. The true issue is the unbalanced level between leagues and the lack of competiveness in some (except the 1 or 2 manager at their very top).
I do not think a new league structure will change anything (but maybe I am wrong). I can see how this proposed structure can give hopes in having more homogeneous leagues. However I do not believe it will work. At the end of the day only from a big growth in players number will emerge better team that will make every level more competitive. Reducing the L2 leagues is a great first step. Inviting managers to join empty ones a good thing. Now let’s find ways to attract new players and make them stay. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2019-04-27 06:51:35 (ID: 100139298) Report Abuse |
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I agree that growing the game back to 800 managers like we used to have would be great but I would prefer if we tried to find a solution to create more competitive games for the current ~350 managers.
Just to take my team as an example in Elite I'm just about average and got relegated several times already but every time it results in a boring 3 months for me (and the other teams in my conference). In my last 7 seasons in Fire 1 I lost a total of 5 games and won by an average of ~40 points. Teams winning 14/15/16 games one season and then 4 games the next leads to many managers leaving because the gap is too big, an intermediate league would put teams like mine and Buziano and Leverkusen and Juggernaut etc... in the same league giving us all more competitive games while the weaker teams in 1.1 currently winning 8/10 games would avoid getting trashed by semi-Elite teams and also play more competitive games. |
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noodle
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posted: 2019-04-27 19:53:37 (ID: 100139318) Report Abuse |
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I like the structure as it is currently and see no need to change it, but the fact that the gap between Elite and League 1 is too large means 1 of 2 things in my opinion.
1) 1 team per region gets promoted/ relegated to/ from Elite. or 2) a 32 team league is set up between Elite and League 1 based on the same rules as Elite. Obviously things can be left as they are too which from my point of view is ok, but perhaps those that bounce between Elite and League 1 who find it boring when in Elite might like the above options. Pete has final say and has said we only changed at the last season rollover which is correct but perhaps long term some other slight change could be considered. |
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