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Tullo Ostilio wrote:
Kanar wrote:
I think the question is mostly for 3rd and 20+. Just got a 4th down as well in this situation. I would be curious to know the percentage too, and to have a confirmation or not that SF are more involved in this situation than the usual.  Don't think Pete answered this tecnical questions,but I know that the pass is consider a normal pass,no medium no longer. In the normal pass the offence try to close the down,this is the reason why the play gain the first down by one or two yards. And no SF are involve becouse it isn't a medium or long pass. Sorry but you are not right. pete wrote:
On passing, the QB always sees his most important task to get a new first down - but not by any means. After a usual sack on first down, the second down is 2nd and 18 yards to go. This is a medium pass, with all the things that are bound to medium passes, like more time needed to fire the pass, so more time for the OL to hold the block. On top, throwing accuracy goes down quite a bit, and the chances to break the completion or even ti intercept it, raise. The receiver has as well a much harder time to make the catch, and the chance of "almost cought" passes raises as well. This is what is happening in todays game engine. This is an answer to one of your questions at the end of December. If a 2 and 18 is a medium pass, a 3 and 25 should be a long one. |
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posted: 2020-02-25 21:06:38 (ID: 100146891) Report Abuse |
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Kanar wrote:
Sorry but you are not right. pete wrote:
On passing, the QB always sees his most important task to get a new first down - but not by any means. After a usual sack on first down, the second down is 2nd and 18 yards to go. This is a medium pass, with all the things that are bound to medium passes, like more time needed to fire the pass, so more time for the OL to hold the block. On top, throwing accuracy goes down quite a bit, and the chances to break the completion or even ti intercept it, raise. The receiver has as well a much harder time to make the catch, and the chance of "almost cought" passes raises as well. This is what is happening in todays game engine. This is an answer to one of your questions at the end of December. If a 2 and 18 is a medium pass, a 3 and 25 should be a long one. I know but after many other matches I think that is true by half. If you write pass in your playbook it seems the engine calculate a pass as a pass,not medium or long.The intent of a pass is close the down and that is what happen.I've never seen a pass intercepted by a SF or a WR tackle by a SF in this play. Only if you write medium or long pass on a playbook a SF is involve. |
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posted: 2020-02-25 21:39:27 (ID: 100146893) Report Abuse |
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7:57 3 and 20 to go on own 47, Giuliano Silvestri (OC) snaps the ball to Narisa Puarborn (QB), Narisa Puarborn (QB) selected Daniel Baxter (WR/L) as target, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Valerio Casas (FB/R) blocks, the pass goes inner left to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Vivien Winstead (CB/R), forward progress: 24 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-1-7)
7:00 2 and 19 to go on opp 38, Giuliano Silvestri (OC) snaps the ball to Narisa Puarborn (QB), Narisa Puarborn (QB) selected Yevgeniy Goryachiy (WR/R) as target, the receiver of this inner right pass catches the ball, Armenak Alemshatian (CB/L) missed the tackle, tackled by Vanni Goiè (CB/L), forward progress: 19 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-1-7) 10:26 3 and 18 to go on own 38, Austin Partridge (OC) snaps the ball to Arnold Givens (QB), Arnold Givens (QB) selected Marcelino Holcomb (WR/L) as target, Yoshikazu Matsukata (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Jesus Frizzell (FB/R) blocks, the receiver of this outer left pass catches the ball, Vanni Goiè (CB/R) tackled him, forward progress: 16 yards (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 0:04 2 and 17 to go on own 25, Randall Baker (OC) snaps the ball to Arnold Givens (QB), Arnold Givens (QB) selected Curtis Mcclain (TE/R) as target, Michael Marcolini (DE/R) breaks through the line, Jesus Frizzell (FB/R) blocks, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, the receiver of this inner right pass catches the ball, tackled by Armenak Alemshatian (CB/L), forward progress: 17 yards, New first down (Shotgun 2 WR vs. 3-4-4) 1:13 2 and 10 to go on opp 47, Austin Partridge (OC) snaps the ball to Arnold Givens (QB), Arnold Givens (QB) selected Adan Pacheco (WR/R) as target, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Kelley Lopes (FB/R) blocks, this outer right pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Craig Ward (CB/L) missed the tackle, Vanni Goiè (CB/L) made the tackle, forward progress: 14 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 7:22 2 and 12 to go on own 18, Andres Kohler (OC) snaps the ball to Efren Bohannon (QB), Efren Bohannon (QB) selected Jermaine Freund (WR/L) as target, the pass goes outer left to the receiver, who catches the ball, the tackle was missed by Vanni Goiè (CB/R), Mauricio Salas (CB/R) made the tackle, forward progress: 16 yards, New first down (Singleback Spread vs. 3-1-7) 10:27 3 and 17 to go on opp 32, Eddie Heim (OC) snaps the ball to Ezequiel Díez (QB), Ezequiel Díez (QB) selected Kris Boswell (WR/R) as target, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Malakai Tuilau (FB/R) blocks, the pass goes outer right to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Vivien Winstead (CB/L), forward progress: 18 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 4:13 3 and 17 to go on own 25, Mitchell Keaton (OC) snaps the ball to Moshe Jacques (QB), Moshe Jacques (QB) selected Jon Bivins (WR/L) as target, David Cruz (DE/R) breaks through the line, Malakai Tuilau (FB/R) blocks, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, this inner left pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Vivien Winstead (CB/R), forward progress: 21 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 3:57 3 and 28 to go on opp 35, Qabel Hamid (OC) snaps the ball to Newton Dębski (QB), Newton Dębski (QB) selected David Hroch (WR/R) as target, the receiver of this outer right pass catches the ball, Vanni Goiè (CB/L) missed his chance for a tackle, Mauricio Salas (CB/L) made the tackle, forward progress: 30 yards, New first down (I-formation vs. 3-1-7 8:31 2 and 17 to go on own 42, Qabel Hamid (OC) snaps the ball to Newton Dębski (QB), Newton Dębski (QB) selected Joona Kostamo (WR/R) as target, Yoshikazu Matsukata (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, the pass goes outer right to the receiver, who catches the ball, the tackle was missed by Vanni Goiè (CB/L), Mauricio Salas (CB/L) tackled him, forward progress: 19 yards, New first down (Flexbone vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 5:41 3 and 13 to go on opp 24, Qabel Hamid (OC) snaps the ball to Newton Dębski (QB), Newton Dębski (QB) selected Vladislav Stojka (TE/R) as target, Kaynard Bennett (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, Armenak Alemshatian (CB/L) missed the tackle, Craig Ward (CB/L) made the tackle, forward progress: 11 yards (Big I formation vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF 1:00 3 and 20 to go on own 19, Qabel Hamid (OC) snaps the ball to Newton Dębski (QB), Newton Dębski (QB) selected David Hroch (WR/R) as target, the receiver of this outer right pass catches the ball, tackled by Vanni Goiè (CB/L), forward progress: 18 yards (Flexbone vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 13:13 3 and 12 to go on own 36, Eddie Heim (OC) snaps the ball to Moshe Jacques (QB), Moshe Jacques (QB) selected Manole Apetria (WR/R) as target, Yoshikazu Matsukata (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Aarón Salazar (FB/R) blocks, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Vanni Goiè (CB/L), forward progress: 15 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 6:22 3 and 17 to go on opp 31, Mitchell Keaton (OC) snaps the ball to Ezequiel Díez (QB), Ezequiel Díez (QB) selected Casper Aaquist (WR/R) as target, Michael Marcolini (DE/L) breaks through the line, Malakai Tuilau (FB/R) blocks, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, Billy Sands (CB/L) tackled him, forward progress: 20 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 0:02 3 and 19 to go on own 11, Mitchell Keaton (OC) snaps the ball to Moshe Jacques (QB), Moshe Jacques (QB) selected Jon Bivins (WR/L) as target, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Aarón Salazar (FB/R) blocks, the receiver of this inner left pass catches the ball, tackled by Mauricio Salas (CB/R), forward progress: 21 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 12:37 2 and 17 to go on own 25, Eddie Heim (OC) snaps the ball to Ezequiel Díez (QB), Ezequiel Díez (QB) selected Jon Bivins (WR/L) as target, Mel Eubanks (SS/C) seems to go for the blitz, the pass goes inner left to the receiver, who catches the ball, Armenak Alemshatian (CB/R) made the tackle, forward progress: 19 yards, New first down (Singleback Spread vs. 3-1-7) 2:08 3 and 12 to go on own 33, Eddie Heim (OC) snaps the ball to Moshe Jacques (QB), Moshe Jacques (QB) selected Casper Aaquist (WR/L) as target, Halim Toure (DE/L) breaks through the line, Malakai Tuilau (FB/R) blocks, Kaynard Bennett (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, this inner left pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Armenak Alemshatian (CB/R) missed his chance for a tackle, tackled by Craig Ward (CB/R), forward progress: 11 yards (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 14:58 2 and 20 to go on own 10, Leif Simmons (OC) snaps the ball to Tomio Kogara (QB), Tomio Kogara (QB) selected Dominic Greenwood (WR/R) as target, David Cruz (DE/R) breaks through the line, Valerio Casas (FB/R) blocks, Svetislav Žofka (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, the receiver of this inner right pass catches the ball, the tackle was missed by Billy Sands (CB/L), tackled by Craig Ward (CB/L), forward progress: 21 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) 7:32 3 and 14 to go on own 49, Giuliano Silvestri (OC) snaps the ball to Narisa Puarborn (QB), Narisa Puarborn (QB) selected Chaiyo Lim (WR/R) as target, Kaynard Bennett (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Nigel Ness (FB/R) blocks, the receiver of this outer right pass catches the ball, the tackle was missed by Vanni Goiè (CB/L), Billy Sands (CB/L) made the tackle, forward progress: 16 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) It was enough for a statistics? 19 plays and all the tackle was made by a CB,no FS are involve. |
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posted: 2020-02-25 21:52:57 (ID: 100146894) Edits found: 4 Report Abuse |
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Only to say despite is very uncommon, the SF can tackle.
Q1 1:45 3 and 12 to go on opp 18, Van Milburn (OC) snaps the ball to Vassilios Kaya (QB), Vassilios Kaya (QB) selected Mohammad Beale (WR/L) as target, Giordano Mignanelli (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Anibal Flaherty (FB/R) blocks, the receiver of this inner left pass catches the ball, tackled by Sabri Hana (FS/C), forward progress: 13 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 4-4-3) more Q1 3:18 3 and 12 to go on opp 40, Jim Rockwell (OC) snaps the ball to Timothy Packer (QB), Timothy Packer (QB) selected Logan Holoubek (TE/L) as target, the pass goes inner left to the receiver, who catches the ball, Juan Manuel Gracia (FS/R) tackled him, forward progress: 16 yards, New first down (Shotgun 2 WR vs. 5-2) more Q3 9:12 2 and 17 to go on opp 24, Gustav Scheiben (OC) snaps the ball to Daniel McCain (QB), Daniel McCain (QB) selected Willie Smith (WR/R) as target, Phinihan Teo (DE/R) breaks through the line, Efrén Alonso (OLB/R) seems to go for the blitz, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Cleveland Mattox (SS/L), forward progress: 15 yards (Singleback Spread vs. 3-4-4) more Q3 0:47 2 and 11 to go on opp 15, Henrik Schneider (OC) snaps the ball to Claudius Kuhn (QB), Claudius Kuhn (QB) selected Robert Kuhn (WR/L) as target, Petar Ludwig (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, this outer left pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Goraksh Sempach (FS/C), forward progress: 10 yards (Wishbone vs. 4-4-3) more Q4 0:05 3 and 11 to go on opp 27, Jamal Robertson (OC) snaps the ball to Claudius Kuhn (QB), Claudius Kuhn (QB) selected Hans-Detlef Schneider (TE/R) as target, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Marco Mazzariol (FS/C), forward progress: 15 yards, New first down (Goalline O vs. 4-4-3) more Last edited on 2020-02-25 22:06:01 by PJRAVENS |
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posted: 2020-02-25 22:11:43 (ID: 100146895) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse |
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Here SF Int
Q1 4:04 2 and 10 to go on own 15, Trey Kenyon (OC) snaps the ball to Devin Dunham (QB), Devin Dunham (QB) selected Cliff Mixon (TE/L) as target, Stewart McCauley (DE/R) breaks through the line, Stephan Flynn (FB/R) blocks, he passes inner left for 15 yards to him, intercepted by Kaisani Moeaki (FS/R) on the own 30 (Shotgun 2 WR vs. 3-4-4) more Q4 2:52 2 and 10 to go on own 20, Curtis Lopes (OC) snaps the ball to Leon Godwin (QB), Leon Godwin (QB) selected Abram Benjamin (WR/L) as target, Rayford Seay (DE/L) breaks through the line, Sam Link (FB/R) blocks, he passes inner left for 25 yards to him, intercepted by Rocco Dimitrov (FS/R) on the own 45 (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-4-4) more Q2 1:16 3 and 4 to go on own 13, Raphael McNeal (OC) snaps the ball to Brett Kimmel (QB), Brett Kimmel (QB) selected Jeramy Bunn (WR/L) as target, Arie Zinke (OLB/L) seems to go for the blitz, Ronnie Tidwell (FB/R) blocks, he passes outer left for 15 yards to him, intercepted by Hendrie Ketelaar (FS/R) on the own 28 (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-4-4) more Q3 3:03 3 and 7 to go on own 8, Muir Strange (OC) snaps the ball to Jeppe Pedersen (QB), Jeppe Pedersen (QB) selected Hartmuth Herrmann (WR/R) as target, Gjore Pejcic (DE/R) breaks through the line, Maxim Müller (FB/C) blocks, he passes inner right for 15 yards to him, intercepted by Terrell Sharpe (FS/L) on the own 23 (Wishbone vs. 3-3-5) more Q4 1:11 3 and 10 to go on opp 48, Muir Strange (OC) snaps the ball to Jeppe Pedersen (QB), Jeppe Pedersen (QB) selected Hartmuth Herrmann (WR/L) as target, Maxwell Jaffa (DE/R) breaks through the line, he passes outer left for 25 yards to him, intercepted by Klaus-D. Schulte (FS/R) on the opp 23 (Singleback Big vs. 3-4-4) more Q1 1:15 2 and 10 to go on own 45, Kendrick Baird (OC) snaps the ball to Daniel Harmon (QB), Daniel Harmon (QB) selected Spencer Pittman (WR/R) as target, Sigmund Meyer (DE/R) breaks through the line, Tyler Grove (FB/R) blocks, he passes outer right for 15 yards to him, intercepted by Romano Guarneri (FS/L) on the opp 40 (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-3-5) more Last edited on 2020-02-25 22:19:43 by PJRAVENS |
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posted: 2020-02-26 06:44:28 (ID: 100146906) Report Abuse |
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All of this example are under 12yrds
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| posted: 2020-02-26 07:33:26 (ID: 100146908) Report Abuse | |
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I shared my opinion. You obviously know it all already and are not open to it. Keep blaming the engine for your losses, that will help you a lot in the future.
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posted: 2020-02-26 07:49:34 (ID: 100146909) Report Abuse |
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I did a quick check on my teams data (offense and defense) from this season. Most things look very reasonable, but I had some outliers, which may be related to the amout of data.
Interception rate: 7-10 yards to go: ~2.5% 11+ yards: ~5% medium or deep pass in playbook: above 20% This may indicate the logic different on long downs and long passes called in the PB First down rate: 7-10 yards to go: ~33% 11-15 yards: ~48% 16+ yards: ~32% Has someone experied something similar? |
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posted: 2020-02-26 08:01:22 (ID: 100146910) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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Tullo Ostilio wrote:
All of this example are under 12yrds Q3 9:12 2 and 17 to go on opp 24, Gustav Scheiben (OC) snaps the ball to Daniel McCain (QB), Daniel McCain (QB) selected Willie Smith (WR/R) as target, Phinihan Teo (DE/R) breaks through the line, Efrén Alonso (OLB/R) seems to go for the blitz, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, tackled by Cleveland Mattox (SS/L), forward progress: 15 yards (Singleback Spread vs. 3-4-4) more I do not have an opinion about the topic. So I am not against yours. I have just posted some examples hoping to help. Last edited on 2020-02-26 08:05:54 by PJRAVENS |
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posted: 2020-02-26 08:31:50 (ID: 100146914) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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Kanar wrote:
I shared my opinion. You obviously know it all already and are not open to it. Keep blaming the engine for your losses, that will help you a lot in the future. I'm not blame the engine couse my losses.All the example I reported is from different game during this season. I expose something that seems a bug of engine but I repeat if only me on entire comunity have this feeling I shut up. PJ,one play do not make statistics Last edited on 2020-02-26 08:34:42 by Tullo Ostilio |
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