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| posted: 2015-12-24 20:12:32 (ID: 100064775) Report Abuse | |
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This just happened in my cup game - My safeties played and one did his job
4:58 2 and 11 to go on own 22, Burkard Hoffmann (OC) snaps the ball to Klaus-Günter Müller (QB), Klaus-Günter Müller (QB) selected Dittmar Schulz (WR/R) as target, the pass goes outer right to the receiver, who catches the ball, Robert Walsh (SS/C) missed the tackle, Hoyt Gomes (FS/L) tackled him, forward progress: 15 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-3-5) |
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posted: 2015-12-24 20:22:31 (ID: 100064776) Report Abuse |
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Not unless inner means middle. But I always pass to the flanks now and I see "inner" all the time, so I don't think it does.
He didn't really have a good game, just 4 great plays in which EXTREMELY slow (one of these guys has 38 speed!) WRs hobbled down the field after catching a short pass: 2Q - 6:50 1 and 10 to go on own 20, Dominic Petty (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Hasan Khatib (WR/L) as target, Micah Bergstrom (FS/R) goes for the blitz, Noah Hardman (FB/R) blocks, this inner left pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Fermin Pridgen (CB/R) missed his chance for a tackle, the result is a 80 yards pass (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) This one actually made some sense. I don't know why anyone would ever blitz with a FS when your expecting the pass... Seems incredibly stupid. Its to bad we can't specify which safety is blitzing. Still with a short inner pass, where was the SS? He should be dropping back in zone if the FS blitzes, and my SS has 50 speed... 2Q - 3:18 2 and 12 to go on own 43, Dominic Petty (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Alex Whitley (WR/R) as target, Vicente Prater (DE/R) breaks through the line, this inner right pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Brice Tavernier (FS/C) missed the tackle, this was a 57 yards pass (Singleback Spread vs. 5-3-3) If the LB was covering here, he wasn't much use. This guy is one of the slower WRs too, so even my MLB should have been able to keep up. 3Q - 10:14 1 and 10 to go on own 21, Dominic Petty (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Bastian Boren (WR/L) as target, Charles Ona (SS/L) goes for the blitz, Noah Hardman (FB/R) blocks, the receiver of this outer left pass catches the ball, Micah Bergstrom (FS/R) missed his chance for a tackle, the result is a 79 yards pass (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) CBs were playing a quick game of bridge? 3Q - 6:52 1 and 10 to go on own 21, Quentin Dew (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Alex Whitley (WR/R) as target, Bo Stubbs (DE/R) breaks through the line, Noah Hardman (FB/R) blocks, Charles Ona (SS/L) goes for the blitz, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, the tackle was missed by Denny Forbes (CB/L), this was a 79 yards pass (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) FS taking a nap. Now I know that speed isn't important for WRs either. One of those WRs had 38 speed and 30 Intelligence, but it didn't stop him from making the catch and beating out a backfield full of guys close to 50 speed. I mean come on. With 80 yards of turf, not one guy can catch up to a snail like that? Last edited on 2015-12-24 20:34:01 by Rock777 |
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| posted: 2015-12-24 20:26:34 (ID: 100064777) Report Abuse | |
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I think inner is middle. My MLB made a 100 yard INT return a few mins ago on an inner pass.
and my safety tag team just happened again on an inner pass - my MLB was blitzing and wasn't home. 6:39 2 and 12 to go on opp 43, Burkard Hoffmann (OC) snaps the ball to Klaus-Günter Müller (QB), Klaus-Günter Müller (QB) selected Bernard Schreiber (WR/R) as target, Ferenc Sárközi (MLB) goes for the blitz, Lukas Bauer (FB/R) blocks, this inner right pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Robert Walsh (SS/C) missed his chance for a tackle, Hoyt Gomes (FS/L) tackled him, forward progress: 12 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-3-5) |
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posted: 2015-12-24 20:29:25 (ID: 100064778) Report Abuse |
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I don't know. At least half of my passes are "inner" passes and my playbook is set for all flank passes. My QB only has 47 INT, so he throws a LOT of picks.
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| posted: 2015-12-24 20:37:02 (ID: 100064779) Report Abuse | |
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Rock777 wrote:
I don't know. At least half of my passes are "inner" passes and my playbook is set for all flank passes. My QB only has 47 INT, so he throws a LOT of picks. Well there are diff types of inner passes/different routes that RZA is simming. and only 47 intel. That probably isn't your int problem. One of the top D1 qb's has intel around 38. I was having a big int problem too but seem to have gotten a handle on it by mixing things up a bit more - including doing some anywhere passes. |
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posted: 2015-12-24 20:41:29 (ID: 100064780) Report Abuse |
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I've cut my interceptions down from ~8 a game to ~3 a game by sticking with just the flanks. I don't think anywhere passes are a good idea. I'm sticking with must short screens until the match engine improves.
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| posted: 2015-12-24 20:48:11 (ID: 100064781) Report Abuse | |
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I was doing only flank for most of the season and I was throwing plenty of int's. Not 8 a game but enough to be an issue.
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| posted: 2015-12-24 21:13:08 (ID: 100064782) Report Abuse | |
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Rock777 wrote:
Not unless inner means middle. But I always pass to the flanks now and I see "inner" all the time, so I don't think it does. He didn't really have a good game, just 4 great plays in which EXTREMELY slow (one of these guys has 38 speed!) WRs hobbled down the field after catching a short pass: 2Q - 6:50 1 and 10 to go on own 20, Dominic Petty (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Hasan Khatib (WR/L) as target, Micah Bergstrom (FS/R) goes for the blitz, Noah Hardman (FB/R) blocks, this inner left pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Fermin Pridgen (CB/R) missed his chance for a tackle, the result is a 80 yards pass (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) This one actually made some sense. I don't know why anyone would ever blitz with a FS when your expecting the pass... Seems incredibly stupid. Its to bad we can't specify which safety is blitzing. Still with a short inner pass, where was the SS? He should be dropping back in zone if the FS blitzes, and my SS has 50 speed... 2Q - 3:18 2 and 12 to go on own 43, Dominic Petty (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Alex Whitley (WR/R) as target, Vicente Prater (DE/R) breaks through the line, this inner right pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Brice Tavernier (FS/C) missed the tackle, this was a 57 yards pass (Singleback Spread vs. 5-3-3) If the LB was covering here, he wasn't much use. This guy is one of the slower WRs too, so even my MLB should have been able to keep up. 3Q - 10:14 1 and 10 to go on own 21, Dominic Petty (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Bastian Boren (WR/L) as target, Charles Ona (SS/L) goes for the blitz, Noah Hardman (FB/R) blocks, the receiver of this outer left pass catches the ball, Micah Bergstrom (FS/R) missed his chance for a tackle, the result is a 79 yards pass (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) CBs were playing a quick game of bridge? 3Q - 6:52 1 and 10 to go on own 21, Quentin Dew (OC) snaps the ball to Cory Frazer (QB), Cory Frazer (QB) selected Alex Whitley (WR/R) as target, Bo Stubbs (DE/R) breaks through the line, Noah Hardman (FB/R) blocks, Charles Ona (SS/L) goes for the blitz, the pass goes inner right to the receiver, who catches the ball, the tackle was missed by Denny Forbes (CB/L), this was a 79 yards pass (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF) FS taking a nap. Now I know that speed isn't important for WRs either. One of those WRs had 38 speed and 30 Intelligence, but it didn't stop him from making the catch and beating out a backfield full of guys close to 50 speed. I mean come on. With 80 yards of turf, not one guy can catch up to a snail like that? Yo dude, 3 out of the 4 examples were when the Safety was blitzing so this is definately the issue - I'd u p d a t e your Defensive PB to not Blitz with Safeties. The other one was where you played 533 against a SBS pass play - Did you prefer Rush on this play? This is most probably why as your LB's would head towards the LOS with only a FS to cover and he missed the tackle. 533 against the pass is a big no no against SBS? Also, 335 is safer than the dime. Hope this helps  |
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posted: 2015-12-24 22:18:14 (ID: 100064785) Report Abuse |
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Yeah, my opponent was rushing out of the SBS. Just happened to change it up this week. In generally you'll do better on defense if you scout your opponents rather than just assume a particular formation will always be a rush or a pass. I just got unlucky with that one.
So what if my SS was blitzing? Doesn't explain why my FS was no where to be seen. The SS typically has other assignments anyhow. The FS is who I expect to cover when the CB misses the tackle. Either way, my point was not about players missing tackles, rather, why are WRs with 38 speed running 80 yards after making a catch on the line of scrimmage? Four times no less. BTW, for comparison, if we take out the four plays above, my opponent had an average of 3 yards per passing play against the 533 and still had over 6 yards per passing play against the dime. So I think you're way underestimating the 533 against the pass. In general I've seen the 533 is really more effective than the Dime. Now I think I understand better that its because backs are useless in this game, and you have 2 extra LB in a 533. Last edited on 2015-12-24 22:24:21 by Rock777 |
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posted: 2015-12-24 23:42:01 (ID: 100064794) Report Abuse |
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I believe the 5-3-3 is a little too effective - because everyone uses short pass plays. But it does result in quite a high proportion of breakout plays... if the receiver burns the LBs then it is often 'goodnight'.
If Pete would fix medium and long passes so they were not too risky to even consider, then I would expect the 5-3-3 to be burned frequently.... as it should be! The key problem here seems to be a lack of lateral movement across the pitch by Safeties moving between zones. If a WR breaks for a big gain down the flank, the FS should be able to come across and make the tackle (typically 20-40 yards downfield - depending on length of initial pass and relative speeds of the 2 players). The other issue, which nobody has mentioned, is the Positioning stat. It might be that your DBs were caught out of position - which is more likely to happen with a younger, developing team in lower leagues than with stronger, more balanced teams towards the top of 1.1 or in the Elite league. I know for a fact that big plays, especially big rush plays, are much harder to achieve when both teams are filled with 4* players! You were unlucky in this game, if it was played again with the same PBs and DCs you would probably win easily. Last edited on 2015-12-24 23:43:50 by JonnyP |
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