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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2016-12-25 18:43:17 (ID: 100094210) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
No need to believe in my analyses...and of course it will match. Too bad, the engine does not think in "Flexbone" or "3-5-5", but in "del-nt-der..."And now guess what happens of two different named formations have the same positions, in the same order... But again, just ignore me, and as said, it works right now as good or as bad as during the last 5 years, since we changed...nothing (yet) No need to argue, as our knowledge of the engine is obviously on a different level. I just think, we talk about 2 different topics. if I understand correctly, Pete talks about how a certain defensive formation will work against Flexbone or Wishbone. If both Bones are equal, certainly the defenses will work exactly the same. However, in the past, if an opponent always ran out of his Wishbone called Flexbone and allways passed out of his Wishbone called Wishbone, I was able to define in my defensive playbook that against the Wishbone called Flexbone I put in the 5-3-3 and against the Wishbone called Wishbone I put in a dime. (man, too much bones  ) And if I am not totally wrong, that worked in the past.
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| posted: 2016-12-25 18:47:14 (ID: 100094211) Report Abuse | |
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I'm giving up, and write in German. may someone else translate this into whatever...
Flexbone und Wishbone haben in der Engine die letzten 5 Jahre lang exakt das selbe Set an Positionen benutzt, und sich daher auch identisch verhalten auf dem Feld. Ich habe nie behauptet, die Engine würde die BEZEICHNUNGEN durcheinanderbringen, ich habe auch nie behauptet, die Engine könnte nicht auf Flexbone mit einer anderen D antworten als auf Wishbone. Das alles ändert aber genau nichts an der Tatsache, dass Flexbone und Wishbone in der Engine exakt gleich behandelt wurden, und eine Unterscheidungen aus Sicht des Angriffs keinerlei Unterschied macht. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2016-12-25 19:34:33 (ID: 100094213) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
I'm giving up, and write in German. may someone else translate this into whatever... Flexbone und Wishbone haben in der Engine die letzten 5 Jahre lang exakt das selbe Set an Positionen benutzt, und sich daher auch identisch verhalten auf dem Feld. Ich habe nie behauptet, die Engine würde die BEZEICHNUNGEN durcheinanderbringen, ich habe auch nie behauptet, die Engine könnte nicht auf Flexbone mit einer anderen D antworten als auf Wishbone. Das alles ändert aber genau nichts an der Tatsache, dass Flexbone und Wishbone in der Engine exakt gleich behandelt wurden, und eine Unterscheidungen aus Sicht des Angriffs keinerlei Unterschied macht. Außer es macht einen Unterschied für den genauen Grund Holly wies darauf hin. Sein ein Problem mit Playbooks, nicht die Spielmaschine. Last edited on 2016-12-25 19:36:15 by Rock777 |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2016-12-25 20:12:11 (ID: 100094214) Report Abuse |
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Flexbone and Wishbone have used exactly the same set of positions in the engine for the last 5 years, and therefore also behave identically in the field. I've never claimed the engine would disrupt the NAMES, I've never claimed the engine could not respond to Flexbone with a D other than on Wishbone. However, this does not a l t e r the fact that Flexbone and Wishbone were treated exactly the same in the engine, and a distinction from the point of view of the attack makes no difference.
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| posted: 2016-12-25 20:54:53 (ID: 100094216) Report Abuse | |
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andrew2scott2 wrote:
Rough translation Good one! 
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alexshans84
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posted: 2016-12-26 08:08:45 (ID: 100094232) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
Okay...cool. I think getting rid of the Flexbone is a good idea - - I don't think anyone really uses it in modern football (at least at the college & professional level here in the states). Was kind of surprised when it was added. Steve SD Blitz Then why not to get rid of Wishbone and Pro Set, these formations are hardly ever used in modern pro football (as far as I know), and RZA is clearly a pro football simulation, not a college one? |
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| posted: 2016-12-26 08:45:37 (ID: 100094233) Report Abuse | |
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alexshans84 wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
Okay...cool. I think getting rid of the Flexbone is a good idea - - I don't think anyone really uses it in modern football (at least at the college & professional level here in the states). Was kind of surprised when it was added. Steve SD Blitz Then why not to get rid of Wishbone and Pro Set, these formations are hardly ever used in modern pro football (as far as I know), and RZA is clearly a pro football simulation, not a college one? I think it's good.to have some variation rather than everyone playing the same thing. It's also good, in my opinion, that there are things like this that make RZA different to the NFL as it says it's a football simulation not an NFL simulation. |
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alexshans84
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posted: 2016-12-26 09:01:34 (ID: 100094236) Report Abuse |
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Jonny Utah wrote:
alexshans84 wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
Okay...cool. I think getting rid of the Flexbone is a good idea - - I don't think anyone really uses it in modern football (at least at the college & professional level here in the states). Was kind of surprised when it was added. Steve SD Blitz Then why not to get rid of Wishbone and Pro Set, these formations are hardly ever used in modern pro football (as far as I know), and RZA is clearly a pro football simulation, not a college one? I think it's good.to have some variation rather than everyone playing the same thing. It's also good, in my opinion, that there are things like this that make RZA different to the NFL as it says it's a football simulation not an NFL simulation. I'm all for more formations added and more diversity myself. I have only argued that if Flexbone is out because it has no use in real life (in Steve's opinion) then why Wishbone and Pro Set are still here. |
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| posted: 2016-12-26 09:14:44 (ID: 100094237) Report Abuse | |
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alexshans84 wrote:
Jonny Utah wrote:
alexshans84 wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
Okay...cool. I think getting rid of the Flexbone is a good idea - - I don't think anyone really uses it in modern football (at least at the college & professional level here in the states). Was kind of surprised when it was added. Steve SD Blitz Then why not to get rid of Wishbone and Pro Set, these formations are hardly ever used in modern pro football (as far as I know), and RZA is clearly a pro football simulation, not a college one? I think it's good.to have some variation rather than everyone playing the same thing. It's also good, in my opinion, that there are things like this that make RZA different to the NFL as it says it's a football simulation not an NFL simulation. I'm all for more formations added and more diversity myself. I have only argued that if Flexbone is out because it has no use in real life (in Steve's opinion) then why Wishbone and Pro Set are still here. I see what you mean, as far as i know it was removed because it wasn't functioning correctly in the engine, nothing to do with simulating real life. I may have been confused here though! Were you suggesting we should remove these two formations or making a point against what Steve said? My brain isn't fully functional during Christmas recovery! |
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Schwabe
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posted: 2016-12-26 09:21:16 (ID: 100094238) Report Abuse |
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alexshans84 wrote:
Jonny Utah wrote:
alexshans84 wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
Okay...cool. I think getting rid of the Flexbone is a good idea - - I don't think anyone really uses it in modern football (at least at the college & professional level here in the states). Was kind of surprised when it was added. Steve SD Blitz Then why not to get rid of Wishbone and Pro Set, these formations are hardly ever used in modern pro football (as far as I know), and RZA is clearly a pro football simulation, not a college one? I think it's good.to have some variation rather than everyone playing the same thing. It's also good, in my opinion, that there are things like this that make RZA different to the NFL as it says it's a football simulation not an NFL simulation. I'm all for more formations added and more diversity myself. I have only argued that if Flexbone is out because it has no use in real life (in Steve's opinion) then why Wishbone and Pro Set are still here. Flexbone isn´t not more active because of RL-Football, it is not active because the engine cannot make a difference between flexbone and wishbone at the moment. I would be happy if we could have some route designs for the playbooks. That would make a lot of differsity. |
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