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  Poll: Create a tax for seasonal gains of a manager depending on his status and bankroll?, Poll closed, votes: 216
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Yes, as described in your post, Yoda!
56
No - dare you to touch my gains...
53
I don't care / I don't have gains / It is on Yoda / There is no democracy in this forums, so why do you even ask?
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Meitheisman
posted: 2016-12-29 14:19:58 (ID: 100094519) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
The idea is to stop teams from creating huge bankrolls, without investing from this money...


I don't understand why we are trying to stop this because I don't see how this affects anybody else? If a manager saves 100 gazillion RZA dollars it doesn't affect my team or my enjoyment of the game in any way so I don't really understand why action would be needed.

It's like if a manager decided to only field players under 25 years old or only from one country... As long as it doesn't negatively impacts the enjoyment of the game of others I don't see why it should be stopped.


If you want to limit the financial advantages of the richest teams in RZA I would suggest limiting spending on weekly players salaries and/or on the TM. For example, you can't spend more than $xM a week on players salary and/or you can't spend more than $yM than you've made in a season on the TM.
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andrew2scott2
posted: 2016-12-29 14:27:38 (ID: 100094521)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
Sorry I can not support this. Only because of th e way it works.
I don't mind tax that are base on income. And income alone.
but on bank roll is not right. I have sold alot of players,ran at low wages. For along. Time. To be penalize for saving and good money management is worng

I can how ever go sliding tax base on profit for the year alone.


Last edited on 2016-12-29 14:30:03 by andrew2scott2

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posted: 2016-12-29 14:29:01 (ID: 100094522)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
Who the F*ck was talking about a tax on your bankroll...

Last edited on 2016-12-29 14:41:31 by pete

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andrew2scott2
posted: 2016-12-29 14:31:42 (ID: 100094524)  Edits found: 2 Report Abuse
pete wrote:

I understood that a tax based on the bankroll is not accepted, because the rich managers are the loudest as well ( C'mon, )

So here is the new proposal:

If a manager is "top manager" (aka has a full build stadium)
AND
If a manager has more than 500 million on his account
AND
If a manager has gains more than "X" million

We cut 20 % of his gains (!!!) above "X" over the season at season-rollover...

Manger with over 500 million tax on bank roll.or because of bank roll
Remove that line I could go with it

Last edited on 2016-12-29 14:33:52 by andrew2scott2

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posted: 2016-12-29 14:32:38 (ID: 100094526) Report Abuse
Firenze wrote:
The test would be for Pete to choose the value of X, then use last seasons data to see which teams would be affected, if the tax was introduced. I suspect only a handful of teams would incur this tax, and only one or two of those teams would be in that top 10 list.


X = 75,000,000 gains (not income, not bankroll, much more the money left from any income after expenses)

26 managers
Income;Expenses;Gain
361982338;-113514362;248467976
202754259;-91881247;110873012
198120311;-90988188;107132123
145333980;-41916097;103417883
138012505;-35236206;102776299
171737863;-70945741;100792122
141801550;-49070963;92730587
138111259;-45478821;92632438
187247655;-95519921;91727734
132355321;-42710178;89645143
171813505;-82272611;89540894
221347200;-133283129;88064071
247747158;-160495767;87251391
163893764;-77959856;85933908
191809690;-105941777;85867913
157934923;-72916046;85018877
249573954;-165975080;83598874
209544868;-127204566;82340302
148601161;-67633838;80967323
152598823;-73818401;78780422
165300648;-87635314;77665334
100622400;-23176271;77446129
152819417;-76204976;76614441
157396961;-81172897;76224064
157748778;-81916888;75831890
150964057;-75166885;75797172
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Meitheisman
posted: 2016-12-29 14:33:06 (ID: 100094527) Report Abuse
andrew2scott2 wrote:
pete wrote:

I understood that a tax based on the bankroll is not accepted, because the rich managers are the loudest as well ( C'mon, )

So here is the new proposal:

If a manager is "top manager" (aka has a full build stadium)
AND
If a manager has more than 500 million on his account
AND
If a manager has gains more than "X" million

We cut 20 % of his gains (!!!) above "X" over the season at season-rollover...

Manger with over 500 million tax on bank roll.or because of bank roll


Read Pete's post until the last line.
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Templer
posted: 2016-12-29 14:38:16 (ID: 100094528) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
The idea is to stop teams from creating huge bankrolls, without investing from this money...

Good thinking.

Wait a minute - what can we deduct from the tax?
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posted: 2016-12-29 14:43:04 (ID: 100094532) Report Abuse
andrew2scott2 wrote:
pete wrote:

I understood that a tax based on the bankroll is not accepted, because the rich managers are the loudest as well ( C'mon, )

So here is the new proposal:

If a manager is "top manager" (aka has a full build stadium)
AND
If a manager has more than 500 million on his account
AND
If a manager has gains more than "X" million

We cut 20 % of his gains (!!!) above "X" over the season at season-rollover...

Manger with over 500 million tax on bank roll.or because of bank roll
Remove that line I could go with it


Read the proposal again, please. the 500 million is a protection for teams that are creating their bankroll at that time...only teams having MORE than 500 million on their bankroll AND (!!!) at the same time create enough gains in their actual season are taxpayers...
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posted: 2016-12-29 14:44:23 (ID: 100094533) Report Abuse
Templer wrote:
pete wrote:
The idea is to stop teams from creating huge bankrolls, without investing from this money...

Good thinking.

Wait a minute - what can we deduct from the tax?


The costs you spend on creating these videos...not

If the Commissioner-Idea passes, you could deduct your charity payments/bribes to that guy
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Firenze
posted: 2016-12-29 14:46:40 (ID: 100094534) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
Firenze wrote:
The test would be for Pete to choose the value of X, then use last seasons data to see which teams would be affected, if the tax was introduced. I suspect only a handful of teams would incur this tax, and only one or two of those teams would be in that top 10 list.


X = 75,000,000 gains (not income, not bankroll, much more the money left from any income after expenses)

26 managers
Income;Expenses;Gain
361982338;-113514362;248467976
202754259;-91881247;110873012
198120311;-90988188;107132123
145333980;-41916097;103417883
138012505;-35236206;102776299
171737863;-70945741;100792122
141801550;-49070963;92730587
138111259;-45478821;92632438
187247655;-95519921;91727734
132355321;-42710178;89645143
171813505;-82272611;89540894
221347200;-133283129;88064071
247747158;-160495767;87251391
163893764;-77959856;85933908
191809690;-105941777;85867913
157934923;-72916046;85018877
249573954;-165975080;83598874
209544868;-127204566;82340302
148601161;-67633838;80967323
152598823;-73818401;78780422
165300648;-87635314;77665334
100622400;-23176271;77446129
152819417;-76204976;76614441
157396961;-81172897;76224064
157748778;-81916888;75831890
150964057;-75166885;75797172


That is more teams than I expected. Are these the teams you wanted to target with this tax?

The only one who is greatly affected is the top manager, who would lose 35 million or so. The second manager only loses 6 million, which isnt much.
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