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RavensFan
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posted: 2017-03-06 14:23:02 (ID: 100099287) Report Abuse |
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Hunter550 wrote:
Why is it that every team assumes Falcons are looking for a new CB  were more likely to look FS before thinking about CBYou know you could make a mock draft on here, too. You could have the Falcons take a S instead of a CB. If you don't I will keep giving them CB. That is a threat.  But seriously, you can make a mock draft of your own on this thread. I would actually appreciate it. |
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-03-06 20:36:25 (ID: 100099312) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Lamba wrote:
Had a look at this piece: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000714737/article/2017-nfl-draft-order-and-needs-for-every-team When looking at the top 10, only the Chargers are marked down as needing a DE. While a transcendent talent, that Myles Garrett seems to be, is useful for any team - what's the chances of the Browns trading down, theoretically handing him over to another team for yet another load of picks? My biggest issue with trading down for them; There's no other team in top 7 that REALLY have a need, so they probably wouldn't set the world in motion with said trade down. Also, I haven't heard/don't remember if he's exclusively a D-line man, or if he's a hybrid DE/OLB depending on system. #inOzzieWeTrust At 270 plus pounds he pans out as a DE in the 4-3, he could trend out as an elephant type in certain 3-4 system but I would suggest even in a 3-4 he would best be served with his hand in the dirt at DE. With the plethora of multi WR formations and shotguns in modern football the standard 3-4 or 4-3 packages are adjusted so frequently from base that Garrett has a full time role in both. It is hands in the dirt bringing heat from the blindside. With the 40 he ran at the combine I can't see the Browns going anywhere else. If they didn't take him then Lynch won't pass him at 2. Pick 1 is a Franchise QB LT or Pass Rusher and no QB or LT stands out in this draft as worthy. Niners at 2 I figure to go with Allen, Lattimore or whichever of the safeties Lynch falls in love with. I think QB is a stopgap solution and maybe a punt on a youngster later on. I don't think Lynch and Shanahan will fall for a QB at 2 now I could see them coming back in for a QB if one falls to bottom of the first and pulling the trigger on a trade. Keizer here would be my suggestion if the chips fall that way. Last edited on 2017-03-06 20:38:59 by oakbark |
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RavensFan
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posted: 2017-03-06 23:27:44 (ID: 100099327) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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oakbark wrote:
Niners at 2 I figure to go with Allen, Lattimore or whichever of the safeties Lynch falls in love with. I think QB is a stopgap solution and maybe a punt on a youngster later on. I don't think Lynch and Shanahan will fall for a QB at 2 now I could see them coming back in for a QB if one falls to bottom of the first and pulling the trigger on a trade. Keizer here would be my suggestion if the chips fall that way. I don't know, I think the 49ers will take a QB. The QB's in the free agent market are pretty shady, but so are the ones in the draft. So I guess it's 50/50. Last edited on 2017-03-06 23:28:06 by RavensFan |
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Hunter550
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posted: 2017-03-07 15:45:00 (ID: 100099366) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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RavensFan wrote:
Hunter550 wrote:
Why is it that every team assumes Falcons are looking for a new CB were more likely to look FS before thinking about CBYou know you could make a mock draft on here, too. You could have the Falcons take a S instead of a CB. If you don't I will keep giving them CB. That is a threat. But seriously, you can make a mock draft of your own on this thread. I would actually appreciate it.If I were to make a mock, it'd happen after free agency slows down. Too much can happen for mock drafts to be reliable now Last edited on 2017-03-07 15:45:19 by Hunter550 |
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-03-07 15:50:16 (ID: 100099368) Report Abuse |
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RavensFan wrote:
oakbark wrote:
Niners at 2 I figure to go with Allen, Lattimore or whichever of the safeties Lynch falls in love with. I think QB is a stopgap solution and maybe a punt on a youngster later on. I don't think Lynch and Shanahan will fall for a QB at 2 now I could see them coming back in for a QB if one falls to bottom of the first and pulling the trigger on a trade. Keizer here would be my suggestion if the chips fall that way. I don't know, I think the 49ers will take a QB. The QB's in the free agent market are pretty shady, but so are the ones in the draft. So I guess it's 50/50. It agree that if you feel there is a cast iron franchise QB at 2 you take him I don't think there is this year. If they don't then I think they have to wait a year given that without a QB they are cast iron top 3 with talent levels as they are. 2nd overall gives you a top draw talent probably a defender and next year you take the QB. Tubisky is the one closest to being what they need but he has a massive knock. One year as a starter and he couldn't beat out pretty ropey incumbent the first two years. Why? |
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Hunter550
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posted: 2017-03-07 15:54:37 (ID: 100099369) Report Abuse |
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oakbark wrote:
RavensFan wrote:
oakbark wrote:
Niners at 2 I figure to go with Allen, Lattimore or whichever of the safeties Lynch falls in love with. I think QB is a stopgap solution and maybe a punt on a youngster later on. I don't think Lynch and Shanahan will fall for a QB at 2 now I could see them coming back in for a QB if one falls to bottom of the first and pulling the trigger on a trade. Keizer here would be my suggestion if the chips fall that way. I don't know, I think the 49ers will take a QB. The QB's in the free agent market are pretty shady, but so are the ones in the draft. So I guess it's 50/50. It agree that if you feel there is a cast iron franchise QB at 2 you take him I don't think there is this year. If they don't then I think they have to wait a year given that without a QB they are cast iron top 3 with talent levels as they are. 2nd overall gives you a top draw talent probably a defender and next year you take the QB. Tubisky is the one closest to being what they need but he has a massive knock. One year as a starter and he couldn't beat out pretty ropey incumbent the first two years. Why? Imo I wait until next year to take a QB, if you're lucky the Browns take one this year, and if 49ers have another top pick next year, with which you take Sam Darnold |
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Gambler75
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posted: 2017-03-08 03:26:30 (ID: 100099436) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Pro Football Talk reporting the Browns have offered the 12th pick for Garoppolo ... and the Pats aren't budging.
Either they're playing a crazy poker game trying to squeeze the poor Brownies, or they really think he's the heir apparent to -G.O.A.T-.  Last edited on 2017-03-08 03:26:47 by Gambler75 |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-03-08 11:43:08 (ID: 100099453) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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Gambler75 wrote:
Pro Football Talk reporting the Browns have offered the 12th pick for Garoppolo ... and the Pats aren't budging. Either they're playing a crazy poker game trying to squeeze the poor Brownies, or they really think he's the heir apparent to -G.O.A.T-. wow, yeah that would be insane from both sides  the pats should immediatly jump on that offer, if this story is indeed true, because in the end neither they nor the browns can really know how good Garoppolo is.
the pats have maybe the most QB friendly system with all their underneath stuff, quick passes, great TEs and so on, great efficiency all around. a lot of QBs might have looked as good or better than Garoppolo did in his less than 100 career passes with a full offseason to prepare for his 4 starts. and even if Garoppolo was especially equiped to play in that offense, chances are that wont translate into production for another team, so his value would be higher for the pats than for any other team anyway. so if NE believes that -G.O.A.T- has 2-3 years left in him, as most of us do I think, why not maximize that window, trade their backup QB, and pick a quality DB or edge guy in this supposedly great class #13? Garoppolos value will most likely never be higher, and do they really wanna keep him around, pay him starter money, til -G.O.A.T- retires? but Cleveland should not make that offer in the first place. Garoppolo might very well be an Osweiler - is it really that hard to imagine that Osweiler would have been able to do what Garoppolo did over 3 games, given the system, supporting cast, play calling, time to prepare, small sample size and so on? coming from the patriots adds a lot of mystique to Garoppolo, and I get that fans are a bit blinded by that, but front offices really shouldnt... Last edited on 2017-03-08 11:51:51 by Buddy Ryan |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-03-08 14:50:39 (ID: 100099467) Report Abuse |
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I totally second that Buddy Ryan.
Really a lot of this talk is probably fueled by agents whispering unsubstantiated rumours and beat writers writing click bait material. Browns are lead by analytics now. Analytics will tell you not to trade for an unknown quantity so I am saying the Browns will not trade for Garrapolo. |
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posted: 2017-03-08 18:18:28 (ID: 100099486) Report Abuse |
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I don't believe Osweiler would have been able to do what Garoppolo did had he started for the Patriots because I don't think he is as good at this point in his career. I believe that experience is paramount at the QB position and Osweiler, unfortunately, left school after only 1 full season as a starter and 25 starts vs Garoppolo's 3 full seasons and 45 starts. Because of this, I believe Osweiler's weakness are concerning and their extent are potential unknowns. At this point, Garoppolo has shown an ability to improve year to year and Osweiler has not had the opportunity to show the same.
Re: is Garoppolo worth the 12th pick? He is if the evaluation is that his experience is more valuable than the potential upside of any drafted QB that you would consider at 12. I believe that as long as the Browns don't intend to extend him, they can make this deal and still not set themselves back in the event that it doesn't work out since Garoppolo is still playing under his rookie contract and will be a FA at the end of the year. If he sucks, cut him loose, if he's good, extend/franchise him. If I'm the Patriots, I wouldn't trade him until draft day. I would like to see how things go in free agency and the time would allow for me to better determine how the draft will shake out. Although his value might not be higher, the 12th pick might not be the highest price someone is willing to pay. |
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