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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-03-10 07:30:38 (ID: 100099655) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
Keep this thread focused on the Browns people
Re QB and OL, it makes less sense to have a good QB and then built an OL. See Luck for evidence of what happens if you do that....your QB becomes a punching bag for the opposing defense. Last edited on 2017-03-10 07:40:09 by Cheesehead |
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-03-10 08:23:38 (ID: 100099658) Report Abuse |
Cheesehead wrote:
Keep this thread focused on the Browns people Re QB and OL, it makes less sense to have a good QB and then built an OL. See Luck for evidence of what happens if you do that....your QB becomes a punching bag for the opposing defense. I think the better evidence is offered by the Browns since 1999 as evidence of what happens without a QB. Remember that team was anchored by two All Pro lineman for several years without a QB. This is compounded by Joe Thomas entering his 11th season now. He is a HoF LT but is hitting the end of his career and if they don't find one now, the best LT in the NFL is not going to have a shot at a championship and the Browns will have spent money on the OL but have a gaping hole in it at the most important position and no QB. My point was never that they shouldn't spend or build an OL but that until they find a QB to ride under centre then they are not going to threaten the playoffs no matter the supporting cast. Which brings us back to their draft decisions at QB WEEDON A 28 year old first round draft pick MANZIEL and the surrounding circus QUINN just could not cut it in the NFL COUCH he came to an expansion team that drafted poorly and he never lived up to the first overall pick he was. |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-03-10 10:21:18 (ID: 100099670) Report Abuse |
The Browns draft picks after the Osweiler trade:
2017: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6 2018: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7 |
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-03-10 10:24:21 (ID: 100099671) Report Abuse |
Cheesehead wrote:
The Browns draft picks after the Osweiler trade: 2017: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6 2018: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7 12th overall and a second next for Garapolo you think? What do you think of him, is he the real deal or the product of the NFL's best staff and system? There seems to be far to much talk for these to be mere rumours so you think he's as good as advertised. If he is then any price is a bargain imo. |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-03-10 10:51:53 (ID: 100099673) Report Abuse |
Hmmm you can't really tell as there is too little to go on. It is a big gamble and stastically he is more likely to disappoint than to succeed (ie more QBs in the league are crap than good).
And I think any QB who has to play for a few games with the current Pats will look OK. I am disregarding what we saw there. I would not make the trade for that reason: too much uncertainty. Unless they have scouting reports that we don't have and they believe that the chance to succeed is higher than to fail. What I do give value to is that he has been in the league in a good organisation behind a good QB. I don't think Rodgers for example would have been as good of a QB had he started from day 1 at the Packers. He was allowed to learn & grow behind the scenes. |
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amalric7
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posted: 2017-03-10 12:06:15 (ID: 100099680) Report Abuse |
There's plenty evidence of young QBs getting so beat-up in their early career behind terrible lines that they never panned out. Tim Couch never had a chance, even if he came from a spread offence so there was no telling if he would have made it either way. But David Carr was a better prospect than his brother Derek, and he was sacked out of existence in his first few seasons because the Texans couldn't provide him any protection at all. There are plenty more examples but those are two recent ones.
I'd make the trade for Garoppolo any day. Jury is still out on him too, but the glimpses are tempting and that in itself is way better than anything else out there. Some teams might sacrifice this season for a shot at Sam Darnold in 2018, but that's a lottery at best. I think the 12th overall pick this season and a couple of 2nds might do it, and/or a conditional pick based on performance. The Pats might hold out for the 1st overall pick or two number 1s, but a good package of picks should do it for a guy that they might lose next season anyway - unless they sign him longterm. |
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Hunter550
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posted: 2017-03-10 15:55:30 (ID: 100099708) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
I have a clear slant towards Alabama so keep that in mind; I personally think AJ McCarron would be a better prospect to Cleveland than Garoppolo. AJ has more starting experience, playoff experience (Would've even broke the Bengals playoff woes had Vonteze Burfict and Adam Jones not been a couple of idiots), and, most importantly, Hue worked with AJ through his ride as a starter. Not to mention he'll be cheaper to get than Garoppolo. The only thing that would make this trade somewhat complex is the fact that the Bengals and Browns are in the same division.
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gnikeoj
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posted: 2017-03-10 16:20:58 (ID: 100099715) Report Abuse |
The fact that there is not more conversation about McCarron to Cleveland is surprising, but it's possible that the perceived or known price for McCarron is higher than Garoppolo's. McCarron would be an RFA, so that would give whatever team he plays for more leverage in contract negotiations. Cinncinatti might want to keep him and tender him highly.
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Schwabe
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posted: 2017-03-11 09:00:11 (ID: 100099760) Report Abuse |
gnikeoj wrote:
The fact that there is not more conversation about McCarron to Cleveland is surprising, but it's possible that the perceived or known price for McCarron is higher than Garoppolo's. McCarron would be an RFA, so that would give whatever team he plays for more leverage in contract negotiations. Cinncinatti might want to keep him and tender him highly. Don't forget that there is another little problem between Bengals and Browns, Paul Brown and the battle for Ohio. |
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-03-11 13:23:07 (ID: 100099774) Report Abuse |
Schwabe wrote:
gnikeoj wrote:
The fact that there is not more conversation about McCarron to Cleveland is surprising, but it's possible that the perceived or known price for McCarron is higher than Garoppolo's. McCarron would be an RFA, so that would give whatever team he plays for more leverage in contract negotiations. Cinncinatti might want to keep him and tender him highly. Don't forget that there is another little problem between Bengals and Browns, Paul Brown and the battle for Ohio. Yeah I figured this would mean the Bengals would ramp the price up for the Browns to make this deal prohibitive. You don't want to watch a decade of your bitter rivals winning with a QB you have let em have without holding them to ransom |
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