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posted: 2017-05-16 16:07:28 (ID: 100104350) Report Abuse |
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JbHeng wrote:
RavensFan wrote:
oakbark wrote:
Despite all the running back talk the key for me this offseason is can the Pack reach a championship level Defence again. Their issues to solve here are NT, Clay Matthews age and health. Is Nick Perry the real deal, or was that a one year contract season performance? Will they find enough quality corners to find two starters and a Nickel? Now some of these questions I am sure will be answered in a positive manner come the season. My big concern is that NT though, if there aren't enough people on the planet to find 32 starting QB's there is even fewer able to play NT. Yet without one....... The Ravens are stacked at NT so... yeah...  We know. The Ravens are stacked at every position. They will go 16-0 and win the Superbowl. And no one in Baltimore will see their team miss once again the playoffs in favor of the Steelers and Bengals  Wish I could say the same for Steelers... |
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-05-16 17:50:22 (ID: 100104363) Report Abuse |
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Gambler75 wrote:
They were top 10 against the run last season, but 31st against the pass (only the Saints were worse). NT Clark played awful early, but great during their stretch run. Between him and Daniels, I think they'll be okay up front. With Sam Shields released, their CB depth is the scariest part of the D for me, by far. Assuming everyone stays healthy, and King develops FAST as a rookie - I'd expect them to at least improve. But if Randall can't stay healthy again ... this position could easily be the Achilles heel, I don't think Rollins, House or Gunter belong as CB1/CB2 material on a NFL team. It's truly amazing that they made the playoffs while allowing over 8 yards per attempt to opposing teams.  Clarke plays DE the NT is Guion. The Packers troubles against the pass start at the DL, they generate no inside pressure either in the base set or moving to pass d. Moreso the packers generated no 3-4 inside pass rush, one of the hardest defences to defend is a the ILB blitz through the 1 gaps, the DL do not tie up 2 OL consistently, the pass rush only comes from the outside which allows the QB to be able to step into the pocket to pass which is the main reason they were consistently burned deep, watch Matt Ryan and Atlanta to see this. It doesn't matter how good your corners are if the QB can step up to throw. Better CB than GB will get burnt consistently in the modern NFL if the QB can step up to throw off the front foot. Watch film of Cam Newton in 15 compared to 16. The biggest difference is he regressed last year with his line destroyed and looked scared to step into his throws The packs run D was mid table in yards per run, they do not have an amazing run D at all. Teams though run less on them largely due to the fact the pack still have the best QB in the NFL who generates above average points and have weaknesses in the D. The run D is distinctly average though not elite. The 3-4 only works when the DL works, it's not very often highlight reel stuff, but it's generating inside pressure collapsing the pocket and keeping OL tied up they did not do either last year and NT has been a massive problem since Raji quit. |
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JbHeng
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posted: 2017-05-16 21:05:58 (ID: 100104386) Report Abuse |
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Basically you say that the run D was great because people were less inclined to run the ball against them? I didn't really get that impression but of course like so many other teams they needed to improve their pass rush (and interior pass rush as you mentioned is precious). I mean the Steelers just stroke lucky with javon hargraves last year, but I mean you're obviously gonna have a better success rate drafting players like Jonathan Allen. Such a shame that the Packers only trade down
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-05-16 21:18:21 (ID: 100104389) Report Abuse |
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JbHeng wrote:
Basically you say that the run D was great because people were less inclined to run the ball against them? I didn't really get that impression but of course like so many other teams they needed to improve their pass rush (and interior pass rush as you mentioned is precious). I mean the Steelers just stroke lucky with javon hargraves last year, but I mean you're obviously gonna have a better success rate drafting players like Jonathan Allen. Such a shame that the Packers only trade down You say the run D is great I consistently say it's not |
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JbHeng
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posted: 2017-05-16 21:57:08 (ID: 100104397) Report Abuse |
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I'm sorry it's just my fantasy bias. I spent all year last season trying to avoid backs playing the Packers.
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Gambler75
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posted: 2017-05-17 03:55:42 (ID: 100104420) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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6th best in the league in sacks (40)
12th best in hurries (104) 31st in total pass yards allowed (4308) 30th in pass TDs allowed (30) Certainly doesn't look like the pass rush is to blame, though I admit I didn't go through and look game by game to see if that's misleading due to them feasting on some bad teams. *shrug* And when you get right down to it ... neither Clark nor Guion is lining up very often as a true 3-4 NT very often. The Pack has been using essentially a 4-2 for most plays, due to the league using SO much 3 wide sets - with OLB pressed up to the line like wide DEs, Guion/Clark in the RG/RT gap, and Daniels in the LG/LT gap. But it was Clark lined up as a standard NT in a "normal" 3-4 alignment that knocked Alex Mack out of the playoff game vs the Falcons ... From Packers.com, if you don't want to take my word for it: "Predictably, Clark began the season behind veteran Letroy Guion, who along with defensive end Mike Daniels dominated the majority of snaps at the two defensive line positions in nickel and dime. Guion, 29, proved immovable against the run but contributed almost nothing in pass-rushing situations. He regressed from 16 pressures in 2014, his first year with the Packers, to just one in 2016. In other words, playing time was there for the taking if and when Clark acclimated himself to both the defense and the level of competition." Last edited on 2017-05-17 04:24:57 by Gambler75 |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-05-17 07:23:23 (ID: 100104429) Report Abuse |
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Loving this conversation guys....keep it going!!
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JbHeng
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posted: 2017-05-17 10:47:31 (ID: 100104461) Report Abuse |
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Cheesehead wrote:
Loving this conversation guys....keep it going!! I don't want to upset any teenagers (or do I?) but there is so much more to talk about with the Packers than with the Ravens  |
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RavensFan
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posted: 2017-05-17 13:19:08 (ID: 100104480) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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JbHeng wrote:
Cheesehead wrote:
Loving this conversation guys....keep it going!! I don't want to upset any teenagers (or do I?) but there is so much more to talk about with the Packers than with the Ravens You're just butt hurt because Ben Roethlisberger is going to retire and the Squeelers are going to be worse than the Bungles. (Or bungholes. Whichever nickname you like best). Last edited on 2017-05-17 13:20:02 by RavensFan |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-06-08 07:31:01 (ID: 100107354) Report Abuse |
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Pretty happy actually with how the squad is turning out to look like now. Added some depth and in some cases even talent.
Less than 100 days left.... |
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