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janos
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posted: 2017-08-19 16:03:05 (ID: 100111943) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
 But those people are excluded in your suggestion... Why would they have a positive view of this proposal?From my perspective suggestions are not a giving favour receiving favour type of situation. I am proposing this idea, bc it helps closing the gap and helps improving competitiveness in RZA. I think it improves the game objectively, regardless if I am favoured by it or not. Like as it happened exactly in real life with the implementation of EL in soccer. Why is it good if many 1.1 league participants realize, that it is impossible to reach the level of Landru and Styrian Bears and get relegated right after reaching the Elite League? I hope that most of us can put aside our personal interests and focus on improving the game as it is. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-08-19 16:40:17 (ID: 100111945) Report Abuse |
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This proposal widens the gap between teams. If teams 2-10 are getting extra money, then teams 11-32 are having the gap widened on them...
Anyone can reach the highest levels in the game. Its not strictly about cash. You'll notice that there are plenty of teams with team ranking in the low 70s, that regularly beat teams with rankings in the 80s. A lot comes down to strategy. |
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janos
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posted: 2017-08-19 18:18:36 (ID: 100111947) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
This proposal widens the gap between teams. If teams 2-10 are getting extra money, then teams 11-32 are having the gap widened on them... Anyone can reach the highest levels in the game. Its not strictly about cash. You'll notice that there are plenty of teams with team ranking in the low 70s, that regularly beat teams with rankings in the 80s. A lot comes down to strategy. Right now, the CofC widens the gap. My solution brings 2-10 teams closer to those. Giving the privilage to participate in CofC for several bots and ca. 40 real teams is a bad idea. Yes, experience and cash is vital to setup a team with low 70's rating, that is competitive. So excluding most of the teams from the possibility of collecting more experience just helps wideing the gap. BTW, I am not against helping teams 11-32 in a similar way. There are several online games, for eg. a very old one started in 1997 that focus on evenly distributed cash. The game is still live and successfull. |
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| posted: 2017-08-19 18:26:55 (ID: 100111948) Report Abuse | |
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janos wrote:
There are several online games, for eg. a very old one started in 1997 that focus on evenly distributed cash. Following this logic will result in the following scenario then: Teams starting their career will have 20 games a day, while RZA/CoC Teams won't have any games anymore 
Seriously: of course it is a serious task to allow new entering managers some certain success. This is why we did many different things in the past to provide them with kind of a jumpstart. But for sure it is not wanted, to allow new entering managers to play at an equal level as teams do who play RZA for 5 years. If we skip the "develop your team", RZA would be no manager sim anymore... |
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janos
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posted: 2017-08-22 06:07:52 (ID: 100112077) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
janos wrote:
There are several online games, for eg. a very old one started in 1997 that focus on evenly distributed cash. Following this logic will result in the following scenario then: Teams starting their career will have 20 games a day, while RZA/CoC Teams won't have any games anymore
Seriously: of course it is a serious task to allow new entering managers some certain success. This is why we did many different things in the past to provide them with kind of a jumpstart. But for sure it is not wanted, to allow new entering managers to play at an equal level as teams do who play RZA for 5 years. If we skip the "develop your team", RZA would be no manager sim anymore... Not as if I wanted to argue with you Pete, but probably we misunderstand each other. Just to make it clear, my point is, that old teams have a chance to play much more games, than young teams, that leads to more experience and cash. So the gap widens with each season past. Decreasing cup competitions and implement leagues instead where applicable would somewhat balance the number of games for every team. Still, if you want to keep it this way, I am fine. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-08-22 13:26:41 (ID: 100112111) Report Abuse |
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Most of the teams participating in the CoC Cup are new teams not old...
32 2.x teams 16 1.1 teams 2 Elite teams This seems to be a critical misunderstanding that you are basing your idea on. |
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janos
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posted: 2017-08-22 15:13:00 (ID: 100112117) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
Most of the teams participating in the CoC Cup are new teams not old... 32 2.x teams 16 1.1 teams 2 Elite teams This seems to be a critical misunderstanding that you are basing your idea on. The 16 1.1 teams, are the ones, that promotes to Elite, so 18 teams out of 32 from Elite is participating. Your arguments are misleading and invalid. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-08-22 21:38:32 (ID: 100112170) Report Abuse |
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Also the ones most likely to demote after one season because it is "it is impossible to reach the level of Landru and Styrian Bears". So your argument is misleading and invalid. On one side you are complaining that these teams can't compete, and on the other you are saying that 2.x teams don't get enough games. Yet your proposal only offers more Elite teams the chance to play in bowl games.
My team is one of the few teams that would really benefit from your proposal. I think this idea would be bad for the game as a whole. |
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janos
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posted: 2017-08-23 06:47:24 (ID: 100112197) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
Also the ones most likely to demote after one season because it is "it is impossible to reach the level of Landru and Styrian Bears". So your argument is misleading and invalid. On one side you are complaining that these teams can't compete, and on the other you are saying that 2.x teams don't get enough games. Yet your proposal only offers more Elite teams the chance to play in bowl games. My team is one of the few teams that would really benefit from your proposal. I think this idea would be bad for the game as a whole. The demoted teams from Elite will not qaulify for CofC the following season, the promoted will. "Yet your proposal only offers more Elite teams the chance to play in bowl games." - This is rubbish. I accept, that you don't like it, but your reasoning is factually false and nonsense. |
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oakbark
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posted: 2017-08-23 07:35:28 (ID: 100112202) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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janos wrote:
Rock777 wrote:
Also the ones most likely to demote after one season because it is "it is impossible to reach the level of Landru and Styrian Bears". So your argument is misleading and invalid. On one side you are complaining that these teams can't compete, and on the other you are saying that 2.x teams don't get enough games. Yet your proposal only offers more Elite teams the chance to play in bowl games. My team is one of the few teams that would really benefit from your proposal. I think this idea would be bad for the game as a whole. The demoted teams from Elite will not qaulify for CofC the following season, the promoted will. "Yet your proposal only offers more Elite teams the chance to play in bowl games." - This is rubbish. I accept, that you don't like it, but your reasoning is factually false and nonsense. I am not sure it is rubbish at all Janos. In any one season 18 Elite teams are in the CoC. The two conference champions from Elite and the 16 promoted teams as 1.1Conference champions. Upon demotion these teams are likely to back in the mix to win 1.1. If you take 3-10 in a secondary bowl you are basically giving 26 Elite teams a CoC. The demoted Elite will likely fjnish 1-10 after demotion to 1.1 and get back in a Cup. Effectively the same teams will largely play in the cup most seasons and it will increase the gap between top and bottom of leagues. I would benefit. I will be 1-10 every season in Thunder and would get extra. I may occassionally get to Elite and miss this cup the following year. However i am with Rock that despite the personal advantage to me overall ita bad for the game. CoC as a reward for winning leagues as currently is a reward with the participants changing yearly and therefore offers no real long term benefit, this is how it should remain. Last edited on 2017-08-23 07:38:48 by oakbark |
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