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passionatelad
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posted: 2017-07-18 12:59:00 (ID: 100109900) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Something needs to be done about this shot gun 4 situation which is to easy to use no matter the defence you use against it. The only formation used in my 4th QTR is the SG4, its being used as a cheat if you like as a way to an easy victory if its needed. Luckily I came into the 4th 27 points up. Sorry Pete that's how I personally feel.. Would like other users opinions. Nothing against the managers using it just the rules leaving that available.
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| posted: 2017-07-18 13:05:37 (ID: 100109902) Report Abuse | |
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Your opponent scored 1 TD.
1. How is that a cheat? 2. It isn't a cheat - you see spread formations ALL the time when a team is trying to play catch up.. 3. How is this a cheat? 4. Why do you think this is cheating? 5. Are you mad that your opponent wasn't shut out? 6. How is that cheating?  |
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passionatelad
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posted: 2017-07-18 13:09:34 (ID: 100109904) Report Abuse |
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punch drunk wrote:
Your opponent scored 1 TD. 1. How is that a cheat? 2. It isn't a cheat - you see spread formations ALL the time when a team is trying to play catch up.. 3. How is this a cheat? 4. Why do you think this is cheating? 5. Are you mad that your opponent wasn't shut out? 6. How is that cheating? I completely get your point. Maybe it is me reading to much into it. but when you look at most teams on here the majority of plays come from that 1 formation. |
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| posted: 2017-07-18 13:23:10 (ID: 100109905) Report Abuse | |
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NFL: 60% of plays this season began in the shotgun.
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-07-18 13:33:23 (ID: 100109906) Report Abuse |
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passionatelad wrote:
punch drunk wrote:
Your opponent scored 1 TD. 1. How is that a cheat? 2. It isn't a cheat - you see spread formations ALL the time when a team is trying to play catch up.. 3. How is this a cheat? 4. Why do you think this is cheating? 5. Are you mad that your opponent wasn't shut out? 6. How is that cheating? I completely get your point. Maybe it is me reading to much into it. but when you look at most teams on here the majority of plays come from that 1 formation. Please stop stating your opinion as if it was a fact. If you want to say that "the majority of plays come from that 1 formation" provide data supporting your point. |
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Superpippo
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posted: 2017-07-18 14:36:54 (ID: 100109909) Report Abuse |
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passionatelad wrote:
Something needs to be done about this shot gun 4 situation which is to easy to use no matter the defence you use against it. The only formation used in my 4th QTR is the SG4, its being used as a cheat if you like as a way to an easy victory if its needed. Luckily I came into the 4th 27 points up. Sorry Pete that's how I personally feel.. Would like other users opinions. Nothing against the managers using it just the rules leaving that available. I don't have an opinion, I have facts, which is nice. I won't go to deep into this because I've put a lot of work into it, but if you would take the time to statiscally analyze a lot of plays, you would find that on average the shotgun 4 is indeed the play that averages the best yardage, but with a far smaller margin then you would think. we're talking less than a yard between 4WR and the worst play. And the reason for that is not because it's a stronger passing play, it's because there are people that think they'll do better playing a whole match with a 3-1-7 or dime against an opponent that runs from the shotgun every now and then. I'll give you one nice statistic: on average 3-4-4 gives away 0,67 yards per passing play compared to dime. Dime gives away 2,4 yds compared to 3-4-4 every running play. And then we've not even gotten into the the flank centre division and how to defend that and when to blitz or not. PS I think you'd be better off looking at how your defense gets slaughtered against the Big I formation instead of making statements like these  |
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passionatelad
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posted: 2017-07-18 16:09:16 (ID: 100109917) Report Abuse |
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Superpippo wrote:
passionatelad wrote:
Something needs to be done about this shot gun 4 situation which is to easy to use no matter the defence you use against it. The only formation used in my 4th QTR is the SG4, its being used as a cheat if you like as a way to an easy victory if its needed. Luckily I came into the 4th 27 points up. Sorry Pete that's how I personally feel.. Would like other users opinions. Nothing against the managers using it just the rules leaving that available. I don't have an opinion, I have facts, which is nice. I won't go to deep into this because I've put a lot of work into it, but if you would take the time to statiscally analyze a lot of plays, you would find that on average the shotgun 4 is indeed the play that averages the best yardage, but with a far smaller margin then you would think. we're talking less than a yard between 4WR and the worst play. And the reason for that is not because it's a stronger passing play, it's because there are people that think they'll do better playing a whole match with a 3-1-7 or dime against an opponent that runs from the shotgun every now and then. I'll give you one nice statistic: on average 3-4-4 gives away 0,67 yards per passing play compared to dime. Dime gives away 2,4 yds compared to 3-4-4 every running play. And then we've not even gotten into the the flank centre division and how to defend that and when to blitz or not. PS I think you'd be better off looking at how your defense gets slaughtered against the Big I formation instead of making statements like these I know it needs looking at. Its my next task. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-07-18 16:25:17 (ID: 100109918) Report Abuse |
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That should have been your first task, before starting this thread, because the data might contradict your instinct.
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MonsterT95
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posted: 2017-07-18 17:37:29 (ID: 100109921) Report Abuse |
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@passionatelad, is this thread made to complain about the effectiveness of SG4 or it (supposed ?) excessive use ?
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passionatelad
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posted: 2017-07-18 17:53:20 (ID: 100109923) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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MonsterT95 wrote:
@passionatelad, is this thread made to complain about the effectiveness of SG4 or it (supposed ?) excessive use ? The effectiveness in defending against it and the fact people i feel are using that to use it excessively just it. It could potentially drive people away from using RZA. Nearly every l game you go into its Shotgun must plays. I think it makes games lopsided towards the same formation. Last edited on 2017-07-18 17:54:58 by passionatelad |
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