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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2017-07-21 09:13:22 (ID: 100110171) Report Abuse |
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2 different topics:
1- SG4 is overpowered? imo just slightly if at al 2 - running the same play over and over again is recognized enough by the defense? imo definitely what makes things worse is that an all SG4 approach is helped by the AC system |
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amalric7
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posted: 2017-07-21 11:28:11 (ID: 100110179) Report Abuse |
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Buddy Ryan wrote:
this is not meant as a slight, but I dont want this game to stand as an example for the supposed all powerfull SG4 pass (which I did use plenty too with mixed results): I used this game to give more snaps to backups than I would against elite opposition... I just hoped the talent difference would still be enough and we are both through in our SC group anyway and there are way too many games to prepare for in elite  Heh, sorry I should have considered that too - obviously I didn't scout your team either, mainly because - as you say - we were both through anyway. No slight taken at all. And yes, I am some way short of being a competitive League 1 team, let alone Elite, so I'll go crawl back into my hidey-hole.  |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2017-07-21 11:45:20 (ID: 100110181) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
2 - running the same play over and over again is recognized enough by the defense? imo definitely Just to make it clear we don't have plays we have run or pass and what formation. I wish we had plays but sadly we dont. But I'll say again what need to be done make the formation match ups matter. From my experience on here it does not matter what defense you put on the field. You just need your best defenders on the field. |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-07-21 18:00:18 (ID: 100110207) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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amalric7 wrote:
]Heh, sorry I should have considered that too - obviously I didn't scout your team either, mainly because - as you say - we were both through anyway. No slight taken at all. And yes, I am some way short of being a competitive League 1 team, let alone Elite, so I'll go crawl back into my hidey-hole.  no please dont, I'm afraid I articulated myself too harshly, maybe I should have just stated that one single game is a really small sample we should not read too much into, and there are always more factors that shape the result than just the use of one specific formation Last edited on 2017-07-21 18:55:10 by Buddy Ryan |
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Quimriera
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posted: 2017-07-21 18:26:36 (ID: 100110214) Report Abuse |
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For example, it is not the same to be the manager of the Dallas Cowboys that of a team of high school. A poor coach in the Cowboys (or any other NFL team) will always win any team of high school trained by Belichick, perhaps the best known HC.
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-07-21 23:17:22 (ID: 100110225) Report Abuse |
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andrew2scott2 wrote:
hollyhh2000 wrote:
2 - running the same play over and over again is recognized enough by the defense? imo definitely Just to make it clear we don't have plays we have run or pass and what formation. I wish we had plays but sadly we dont. But I'll say again what need to be done make the formation match ups matter. From my experience on here it does not matter what defense you put on the field. You just need your best defenders on the field. That's the thing. We don't have plays. So formations are the proxy. A smart manager in real life will call plays to outflank or counter his opponent. Since the formations are our proxy, different formations should be able to outflank or counter other formations (as plays would in real life). If the best strategy is "just put the best defenders on the field" or "just call SG4 every down", then the true essence of the game has been entirely missed. |
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thomastem
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posted: 2017-07-21 23:49:24 (ID: 100110227) Report Abuse |
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andrew2scott2 wrote:
hollyhh2000 wrote:
2 - running the same play over and over again is recognized enough by the defense? imo definitely But I'll say again what need to be done make the formation match ups matter. From my experience on here it does not matter what defense you put on the field. You just need your best defenders on the field. I'm not going into strategy specifics but this statement is false. I do not usually give an answer where I can't give specifics to back what I am saying but I would be giving up strategy I have developed over seasons. It bothers me to just write to "take my word for it" but it is the best I can do. I would like players to know that strategy is possible if you are willing to experiment enough and find it. If it lends credence to this very rare time that I use the take my word for it, Buddy Ryan and I have had some short conversations on strategy and theory in confidence. If Buddy, without going into detail of the how, wants to confirm that there are strategies that can be employed to better defeat SG4 pass every play that you do not see players talk about, he can confirm that we have discussed them and that they are out there to try. Buddy is well respected, with good reason. If him just confirming that there is more you can try makes the RZA a better and less frustrating game, as long as you are willing to put the work into it then I think that would be a good thing. Sometimes 2 voices are better than 1. |
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Superpippo
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posted: 2017-07-22 09:30:34 (ID: 100110237) Report Abuse |
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thomastem wrote:
andrew2scott2 wrote:
hollyhh2000 wrote:
2 - running the same play over and over again is recognized enough by the defense? imo definitely But I'll say again what need to be done make the formation match ups matter. From my experience on here it does not matter what defense you put on the field. You just need your best defenders on the field. I'm not going into strategy specifics but this statement is false. I do not usually give an answer where I can't give specifics to back what I am saying but I would be giving up strategy I have developed over seasons. It bothers me to just write to "take my word for it" but it is the best I can do. I would like players to know that strategy is possible if you are willing to experiment enough and find it. If it lends credence to this very rare time that I use the take my word for it, Buddy Ryan and I have had some short conversations on strategy and theory in confidence. If Buddy, without going into detail of the how, wants to confirm that there are strategies that can be employed to better defeat SG4 pass every play that you do not see players talk about, he can confirm that we have discussed them and that they are out there to try. Buddy is well respected, with good reason. If him just confirming that there is more you can try makes the RZA a better and less frustrating game, as long as you are willing to put the work into it then I think that would be a good thing. Sometimes 2 voices are better than 1. Thomas is right. I won't get into the specifics because it takes a lot of work to finetune or analyze defensive strengths. But with the same defenders you can make at least a difference of 50-100 yards per game with the right formation |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-07-23 22:51:13 (ID: 100110307) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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thomastem wrote:
Buddy is well respected, with good reason. If him just confirming that there is more you can try makes the RZA a better and less frustrating game, as long as you are willing to put the work into it then I think that would be a good thing. Sometimes 2 voices are better than 1. that praise might not be entirely justified but yeah, for sure, defensive scheming definitly is a thing and I try to never stop to learn Last edited on 2017-07-23 22:54:04 by Buddy Ryan |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-07-24 07:43:47 (ID: 100110314) Report Abuse |
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It's funny to me that you guys are acting as if you had uncovered a big secret or something when all we need to do to see how you guys decide to play defense against Shotgun 4 WR (or any other formation) is click on your last game and look at the play by play
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