The more that put in collectively the more we get out of it, in elite I think I got between 76-79 million from it. That's a no brainer here. That's why I encourage everyone to be a part of it. 26-29 million extra a year!!

listen to the man! it really is a no brainer if you have the money on hand. it just makes a lot of sense to safe up 50 mill for the media center - and if this is hard to do for managers in 1.1, those should probably check their expenditures. this will only help the long term economic health of teams.

I guess Pete wanted another element like the stadium, where you have to be smart and invest quickly for a huge payoff, but once the stadium is finished theres nothing to do but repair it from time to time. now we have that aspect of management on a season to season basis and I really like that

People have come out and convincingly discussed the simple advantage. Let me take it a step further. Not only is your team in better financial situation in long term because if we work together you make more profit each season but part of "Game Theory" comes into play.

Game Theory's simplest rule is that any advantage that you get over your opponent is a step closer to victory. Media Center is a new area of the game where Thunder can gain an advantage or disadvantage based on avg profit dollars per team vs other leagues.

No rocket science here but if Thunder managers, using simple numbers, gain 10 mil per season while other leagues gain 5 then we have earned that 5 mil advantage. That 5 mil can either buy players, increase coaching, increase max player salary so you can retain more vets, or increase youth training that managers in other leagues will not have to do.

Other than scale, investing in media center is no different than buy the largest volume of goods for your fan shop so that you get lowest price per unit. If you pay less per item than your opponent you make more profit off your investment in the long run and that advantage that you have gained can be used where you need it most.

If you are going to make the short sighted argument that keeping money in your pocket now is better than making more money over the length of a season in a game where it takes years in real life to get to Elite and compete then go ahead and buy the smallest volume of items for your fan shop. I on the other hand will enjoy the advantage I have gained on you each time you make that decision.

Please check your figures oakbark, I think you will find that you are going to get around 12M profit, not including the bonus at the start of the season. No way are you going to make 26-29M profit from the Mediacentre as that sort of profit was never Pete's intention.

Lets put this all into prospective....

I have gone through my figures thoroughly for this season and, if I do not include the start up bonus, the 73% contribution rate in Thunder 1.1 will mean I will be borderline breaking even on the Mediacentre.

The weekly dividend difference between a 50M contributor in a 97% contribution level and a 50M contributor in a 73% contribution rate in 600K, for this to work in Thunder 1.1 you will need a minimum 80% contribution rate that means 32 managers contributing 40M each.

Personally at this time I will not contribute to anything unless I have a guaranteed profit and with my reduced wage bill I will probably make 50M profit excluding the Mediacentre and before Buddy or any other Elite member or ex-member says anything, I am going to play the game on a financial point of view and if success comes with me still making 20M a season excluding any Meadiacentre I'll go that way and I am still not bothered whether I get back to the Elite league or not.

24 x 2.75 million plus bonus week (5 x weekly bonus) equals 77 million for a 50 million investment

I did say NOT including BONUS and therefore it is actually 16M profit. Yes I said profit, not gross.

If you can guarantee the other 31 managers of Thunder 1.1 will put in 50M each I may consider redoing it, otherwise I am out, as I stated in my previous post it does not work unless you get more than 80% take up and it is not worth the investment unless you get 90%+ take up.

Unlike wsfjlt I do not play the TM and only buy and sell if I have to. I have trimmed my squad and am going to be working within the normal financial constraints of the game as even 16M is not going to make any difference to me and the way I am now playing the game. Excluding the Mediacentre and not making any play offs I will make around 60M profit this season.

My forecast for next season is a minimum of 35M profit and with friendlies and fanshop sales that will probably go above 50M so what is a possible extra 16M do for a team that really doesn't need it except to boost his bank balance.

Early bird bonus is in the manual and am unsure why you think it should not be included in the calculations. Not really sure why your being so condescending either. Profit from the media centre will be 27 million with those figures. Including part of the numbers does nothing other than spread misinformation.

End of the day if everyone contributes everyone makes more money. If Thunderians don't want to do it in 1.1 then people won't put in and it makes dropping to 2.x even more appealing for a year or two which I would not be surprised to see given the benefits.

I did not mean to sound condescending, but stated the gross figure from Mediacentre takings is, in truth, the wrong figure to take. People want to know has much "profit" they going to make from a contribution of up to 50M.
Remember you have to have that 50M available every season that why I keep stating that the gross figure is misleading.

To make a logical decision you also need to know what the break even percentage is and whether the other 31 managers are willing to do it.

I am, like you, sick of seeing misinformation that is chucked around in the game, but when it comes to the financial side, especially with the Mediacentre, I have delved into what information I can get in order to make a logical decision.

Also, like you, I believe I am a honest player of the game, so I would never consider tanking to go down to level 2 for financial gain I just want the rest of the managers in Thunder 1.1 to make a decision on the correct information.

So I will state, based on the information I have found within the game that the break even percentage needs a 73.5% take up, a profit in the region of 5M you need around 80% take up, a profit around 10M you need around 90% take up and you and thomastem get 16M for a 97% take up in the Elite.

I have 50M spare to do it next season, because as I said I have made more than that in normal financial parameters of the game during the season, if other managers have had similar takings to me this season they should be able to afford it as well and still have a fair size balance in their bank accounts to play the TM a little, when they need to. Those that have had SC playoffs, CoC matches and other playoff matches should be in a very good position to pay the full amount.

The problem is that people will not do things if they are ear bashed by claims that are out of proportion and the Bonus was given this season as a sweetener and is not guaranteed to be there next season, so again people have to understand this to make the decision.

You know from most of the things that I have posted that I want us all to work together to make Thunder the best region in the league, but you have to be careful that the information being passed on is done to persuade people that this is the way to go to benefit us all and that the pros outweigh the cons.

This season, 4 did not contribute and 7 contributed 25M or less (33% of the league), the question is to find out why they didn't contribute the full amount and of those, who are not being relegated or promoted, who is willing to go the full hog next season. Also, knowing you and thomastem are willing to go the full hog, will the promoted teams, older that 24 weeks, be able to afford to go the full hog.

Those things need to be answered every season at 1.1 level unlike at Elite level where most of the participants will make that much just in the playoffs getting to the Elite.

So help persuade, because as it stands the highest percentage reached by a level 1.1 region is 81%, meaning that those teams that contributed 50M in that region are going to get around 5M profit this season, excluding the bonus, thats 5M more than I am going to make, to me that profit is not worth the contribution as I am like other managers, greedy, so I would want more.

oakbark, lets get this sorted, lets work together to persuade the others that it is a good idea, lets try and find the reasons people didn't go for it last season and persuade them to go for it this season, lets make contact with the level 2 managers in the play offs to find out if they will be able to contribute the full hog. Lets aim and reach that 90% figure to make it worthwhile at 1.1 level, you and thomastem can clearly show that it has financially benefited you from the high contribution rate in the Elite and it is that persuasion that is needed to get the 1.1 contribution level, but in order to clearly show the benefit you might have to give a bit of your financial history away, which I am willing to do as hopefully such information from senior managers it will help newer managers understand how not to fall into debt between seasons and therefore have the funds to go in full hog on the Mediacentre.

This is correct provided the bonus stays. If the bonus is taken away then participation would probably have to be higher than can be reasonably expected to make it worthwhile. My point has always been if we participate more than other leagues we will make more profit and gain an advantage. Obviously if the bonus goes away or participation is too low losing money would give others an advantage on us.

The whole purpose of starting this thread was to get communication going to make media center as profitable as possible. Not to state that you should blindly invest without first making sure that it is profitable enough to do so and I think this is the point Bova is making.

We can't control what Pete does with the bonus but we can gauge participation from the 1.1 and teams about to promote to 1.1.

I'm going to put 50M. Teamwork, boys!