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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-07-26 16:26:53 (ID: 100110422) Report Abuse |
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MonsterT95 wrote:
andrew2scott2 wrote:
SO you are being judge for players you no longer have. In NFL you call it legacy. So you think today's Cleveland Browns players should suffer a big morale loss when they lose a game because of Jim Brown's legacy? |
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MonsterT95
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posted: 2017-07-26 16:59:54 (ID: 100110424) Report Abuse |
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Meitheisman wrote:
MonsterT95 wrote:
andrew2scott2 wrote:
SO you are being judge for players you no longer have. In NFL you call it legacy. So you think today's Cleveland Browns players should suffer a big morale loss when they lose a game because of Jim Brown's legacy? Well, the Browns are the exception to confirm the rule 
But you have the ravens because of Ray Lewis, the Steelers because of Jack Lambert, Cowboys because of Michael Irvin, 49ers because of Rice, I could go a loong way. Eagles because of McNabb 
An not counting the groups such as Steel Curtain, Fearsome foursome, Orange Crush, Dallas's Trio on offense, etc... |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-07-26 19:15:51 (ID: 100110431) Report Abuse |
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So you think a team's expectations should be based on its best results ever?
For example, Free Agent Mascots won the Elite League 3 times in its first 4 seasons (S14, S16 and S17) should his success from ~10 seasons ago still impact his ELO today and make his players today suffer a higher morale loss than had this team not won so much in the past? |
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Browka
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posted: 2017-07-26 19:49:57 (ID: 100110432) Report Abuse |
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I agree than the morale hit can be a little too hard sometimes.
I lose a game in SC a monday against a team equal of mine in rating but as I made greats playoffs last season I got an high ELO. It resulst a huge moral hit who is not innocent in a league loss the tomorrow. May be morale hit should be less significative if you lose one game, it happens, but became stronger (as now) if you lose more game in a short period. Like an exponential factor who doesn't decrease if you got one win on two game but with a win streak. I don't now if you will understand, my english is messy tonight. ^^ |
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gnikeoj
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posted: 2017-07-26 21:57:25 (ID: 100110437) Report Abuse |
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Meitheisman wrote:
So you think a team's expectations should be based on its best results ever? For example, Free Agent Mascots won the Elite League 3 times in its first 4 seasons (S14, S16 and S17) should his success from ~10 seasons ago still impact his ELO today and make his players today suffer a higher morale loss than had this team not won so much in the past? Kinda. Maybe the morale loss should be lower, but the expectations for teams like FAM should be enormous. If I ever reach that level, my expectations will be astronomical. I want my team to be devastated whenever if ever I lose. |
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Captain Jack
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posted: 2017-07-26 22:26:14 (ID: 100110438) Report Abuse |
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Right now morale loss is unreasonable. No matter who your team are nor how good they were 10 seasons ago you should not take a huge hit because you lose a game.
Players and fans might long for the glory days but they are also quick to realise the present condition of their team. How is it reasonable to punish a new (or even existing) coach who is doing reasonably well with a new team of players? Teams don't focus on one game that they lost. They get ready for the next. When I lose a game of badminton I don't become despondent and suicidal. I look at my mistakes and determine to do better in the next game. Surely football teams are no different. "Ok guys we lost a game, let's commit suicide" seems a bit over the top. If we continue losing games then yes morale should drop more but at the rate it drops now it becomes a vicious cycle. We need to limit the effects of ELO to at most 5 seasons. |
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gnikeoj
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posted: 2017-07-26 22:50:13 (ID: 100110440) Report Abuse |
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Lol. Suicidal?
 I thought it was just strippers and blow levels of devastation. |
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Captain Jack wrote:
Right now morale loss is unreasonable. Wrong! You lost a game, and therefore received the morale hit. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-07-27 07:20:48 (ID: 100110456) Report Abuse |
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Mother: Come back home at a reasonable time.
Kid: OK mom, no problem. *Kid comes back home at 2am* Mother: I said a "reasonable time"! Kid: 2am seems reasonable to me for a 16 year old on vacation. My point here is that instead of discussing vague things like what is "reasonable" or what isn't, let's use actual numbers so we can agree on something. "How many seasons is it reasonable to take into consideration for ELO calculation?" is the question we should discuss together imo. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-07-27 07:57:31 (ID: 100110459) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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To take another example, Naprzód Marsz! won the CoC in season 3 but he is now 2-11 in the Elite league. In my eyes it is not "reasonable" for him to have a higher ELO than Neuseen Buccaneers who's 8-5 in the Elite and who's 5 losses came against teams with 9 wins or more.
Right now, Neuseen is a much better team than Naprzód but because of ELO if they both lose to the same team Naprzód's players would suffer a greater morale loss than Neuseen's players. Last edited on 2017-07-27 08:03:24 by Meitheisman |
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