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Captain Jack
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posted: 2017-11-05 14:00:08 (ID: 100117860) Report Abuse |
Meitheisman wrote:
So much for that I guess now that my team won that game... Watch me play the Bears with 100% morale on Tuesday and lose by 30pts now |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-11-05 15:20:09 (ID: 100117867) Report Abuse |
Meitheisman wrote:
I have fought so hard to get this far and now our chances of getting further are severely diminished. I suspect that bolded part was the misconception that is shared by many on these boards. I really don't think moral loss is quite as devastating as people seem to believe. |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2017-11-05 15:43:36 (ID: 100117874) Report Abuse |
Rock777 wrote:
Meitheisman wrote:
I have fought so hard to get this far and now our chances of getting further are severely diminished. I suspect that bolded part was the misconception that is shared by many on these boards. I really don't think moral loss is quite as devastating as people seem to believe. it is, if the moral loss is high enough Look at the difference bot / vs bloody noob in SC games, it is huge, same players the difference is morale or teams in financial trouble when morale gets really down So a 10 - 15 % morale loss is not that big of an issue imo but if it gets down to 25+% it is really tough to overcome. so for the morale loss after losses it is basically a timing issue, have you enough time to work back enough of the morale loss. And that's why I think it is a questionable way t punish high ELO teams. Hit them with a bigger drop in attendance would imo be a way better punishment |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-11-05 16:00:06 (ID: 100117878) Report Abuse |
Severely is a relative word and only Pete really knows the impact of morale but my guess is that it works like experience, as a multiplier of all skills. What this multiplier really is obviously Pete will never tell us and just like everything else morale is so hard to isolate that we can't really estimate the value of the multiplier ourselves. Like when a player has 90% morale does he play at 90% of his skills? 95%? 99%?
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posted: 2017-11-05 16:09:42 (ID: 100117881) Report Abuse | |
Hm...how to put it....RedZoneAction was not designed to be the "clash of the we will win it all guys", it is the "clash of the skilled"...
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-11-05 18:06:36 (ID: 100117889) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
My thinking is the same as yours Meitheisman, but there are so many things factored that way: experience, PC, TC, morale. These things all have to have some limited impact, otherwise the natural skills would be too quickly eroded. I am sure that moral has a non-negligible influence. I just think too many people are looking at morale as an insurmountable obstacle, rather than just another factor. How many folks panicking about 90 morale would play a player with 90 TC?
Just a guess, but I'm thinking PC and experience probably have a greater impact than morale towards on-field performance. Last edited on 2017-11-05 18:08:20 by Rock777 |
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Captain Jack
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posted: 2017-11-05 22:09:28 (ID: 100117905) Report Abuse |
Rock777 wrote:
My thinking is the same as yours Meitheisman, but there are so many things factored that way: experience, PC, TC, morale. True but I think the real argument is the way in which morale loss is calculated is the problem. However, I think we should thank Pete for making a change, then sit back and wait for the changes to take effect in S28. |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2017-11-06 17:51:48 (ID: 100117943) Report Abuse |
Does anyone other than Pete think that having morale impact playoffs offer anything positive to the game whatsoever ??? Anyone ? Anything ?
Basically the game would be more realistic, better and less people would be annoyed if all playoff games would be played at 100% morale. Generally speaking number one rule in game development is Better Game > Not as good game |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-11-06 18:15:13 (ID: 100117946) Report Abuse |
If you take it out of the playoffs, then I guess I would question why we have it at all.
I agree that the rankings could be improved, but I like having moral mean something. Maybe it means too much right now? We are all really just guessing at its impact. I really don't feel like 100% moral all the time should be the norm. More like 50% should be the norm, and if you have higher than that you are doing well. If we always just have moral at 100% why even bother to track it at all. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-11-06 18:19:47 (ID: 100117947) Report Abuse |
Also, from an anecdotal perspective, the ONLY reason I didn't play all rookies in my final league game of the season was that I didn't want to have low moral going into the SC and playoff games. So the moral successfully influenced me to try and win a game I would otherwise have no reason to win. So I would say it is serving its purpose. We get rid of moral, and I would have simply lost the last three games of the season since none of them mattered to my team and the experience to my youth players would be more valuable.
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