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Rock777
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posted: 2018-02-23 14:20:19 (ID: 100124798) Report Abuse |
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We hear that every year, and every year a few more teams change over to an all-SG4 offense and dominate their competition. I'd be happy if Pete finally fixed this, but I doubt he will have made such a significant change in one season. SG4 has always been very over powered in this game, and until I see differently, I will assume it will continue to be. My last game certainly didn't change my opinion
 A lot of the teams promoting out of Admiral's these days just use a mostly empty playbook (probably just punt and FG rules), and rely on the Game Settings to randomly call SG4 runs and passes. No real effective defense against this very simple, easy to use offensive tactic. |
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Superpippo
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posted: 2018-02-23 14:48:20 (ID: 100124799) Report Abuse |
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Are you talking about the game where you threw 7,1 yds average against your opponents overpowered 5,5yds average? You just didn't defend the run. I'm pretty sure your entire defense won't be hungry for a week with the way they got the ball run down their throats in that one.
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| posted: 2018-02-23 15:00:20 (ID: 100124800) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse | |
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Rock777 wrote:
I haven't noticed much difference in the run. Last game, my opponent averaged 10 yards per carry SG4 vs 5-3-3. And with SG4 you don't need a TE coach. Whats to be noticed?? A strong and better team ran vs your 5-3-3 a total of 3 times - one of those went for 15 yards. (Which really does happen in the real world). That isn't near enough to even have an opinion about formation effectiveness. It's not even enough to be bitter and complain about. And you don't need a TE coach to be effective in SG2. AND NFL uses SG formations a LOT. The use it because it's an effective offensive play. Which RZA is fairly simulating. 
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Rock777
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posted: 2018-02-23 18:49:21 (ID: 100124805) Report Abuse |
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If we wanted fair simulation of the NFL, we would have plays, not just formations. Since we only have formations, they need to have balanced strength. I see my team give up big runs SG4 vs 5-3-3 all the time, not just this last game. And my run defense (79.6) was stronger, not weaker than their run offense (76.0).
I understand you think just setting up your offense to randomly call run / pass out of SG4 every play should be the best offense, but I disagree. Because the analogy in the simulation is a team calling the same two plays all game long. SG4 may be superior in real-life, but we make it that way in the game, then there is no reason to ever use another formation. |
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| posted: 2018-02-23 19:33:38 (ID: 100124807) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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Rock777 wrote:
I understand you think just setting up your offense to randomly call run / pass out of SG4 every play should be the best offense, but I disagree. Because the analogy in the simulation is a team calling the same two plays all game long. SG4 may be superior in real-life, but we make it that way in the game, then there is no reason to ever use another formation. Here you are - spewing inaccuracies, opinions and pretending it's fact. Obviously you have never looked at my games - or you would know I do not just use SG4. I use 3 playbooks - my big one is around 1300 lines.. But as for RZA only simulating formation play - I don't agree that is what is being simulated. We see screens and deep passes and inside and outside etc.. Runs we see all direction stuff. Sure we need to use our imagination - hidden withing these inside and outside passes are a multitude of routes and depths. Same with the runs. Traps and pulling guards and TE blocking etc. And I have played vs several teams that exclusively use SG4 and outside stuff and it's mostly a loss for them. Got to have the personnel to succeed with that kind of playbook along with a little luck and face a poor defensive scheme. (Like only using dime).. BUT I do think pete needs to impose/increase a penalty when only a formation is used over 85% of the time. Large enough to guarantee a loss.. . Last edited on 2018-02-23 19:47:41 by punch drunk |
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| posted: 2018-02-23 21:07:46 (ID: 100124817) Report Abuse | |
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punch drunk wrote:
Obviously you have never looked at my games - or you would know I do not just use SG4. I use 3 playbooks - my big one is around 1300 lines.. Wow....that's scary....1300 lines, really? BTW, how about the SuperCup? Steve SD Blitz |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
BTW, how about the SuperCup? Steve SD Blitz I'm in division 48. The division of death. Who knows - I might be able to make the playoffs. Way to early to count on it though. |
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ProvidenceLA
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posted: 2018-02-23 22:21:54 (ID: 100124820) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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punch drunk wrote:
Got to have the personnel to succeed with that kind of playbook along with a little luck and face a poor defensive scheme. (Like only using dime)..  to be fair 54% of Maykops 31 SG4WR passes were medium range passes...dime is technically effective against medium range passing & the pass in general as far as I was told. just not in this situation I guess 
punch drunk wrote:
BUT I do think pete needs to impose/increase a penalty when only a formation is used over 85% of the time. Large enough to guarantee a loss.. I wouldn't say guarantee, but it definitely feels like the defensive formations and players could use more reads variations and switch ups in terms of playcalling, just kinda how you said like with the offensive formations not always running the same play. Last edited on 2018-02-23 22:23:56 by ProvidenceLA |
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| posted: 2018-02-23 22:29:12 (ID: 100124821) Report Abuse | |
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Remember some of those pass yards are run after catch. Also skill and speed of defensive personnel certainly have an influence.
Also remember - even the best teams have bad games. |
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oakbark
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posted: 2018-02-23 22:35:50 (ID: 100124822) Report Abuse |
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I think the mechanic where the FB always blocks a man is overpowered. He should not be certain to make a block every time.
I think the formations where the HB is in the backfield he should also get a chance to block a lineman breaking through or the Blitzer. If this change was implemented then it would i believe go someway to redress the balance in formations. |
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