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Cheesehead
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posted: 2019-05-14 19:57:03 (ID: 100139703)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
So I am finally taking training seriously so I want to recalculate the formulas for coaching in the manual so I get a good understanding of the way training (points) are calculated.

Can someone enlighten / confirm the following questions / statements:

Calculating Training Points
trainingpoints=( ( youthacademy level + 1 ) * 5 ) + (HC CP / 2)

What level youth academy do you have if you have premium academy. Manual states there are 5 upgrade levels so I get to 6 levels then. Correct?

Skill Points
Skill points = The percentage out of (random 25:40 + Teamwork + AC-CP-Formula)/2 / 100

I just don't get any of this. What does the phrase 'percentage out of' mean? Out of what?

The rest I get: random number between 25 and 40 plus player's TW + result of the previously given AC-CP formula. divided by 2. divided by 100.

Correct?

Fitness Points
Fitness points = Fitness training percentage out of ((random 25:40 + Teamwork + AC-CP-Formula)/2) / 100

Again: What does the phrase 'percentage out of' mean? Out of what?

Regards,
A confused Cheesehead

Last edited on 2019-05-14 19:57:22 by Cheesehead

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posted: 2019-05-14 20:12:35 (ID: 100139704) Report Abuse
I think it is the percentage you define every week in the training section, from 10% to 90%.
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posted: 2019-05-14 20:59:28 (ID: 100139706) Report Abuse
Cheesehead wrote:
So I am finally taking training seriously so I want to recalculate the formulas for coaching in the manual so I get a good understanding of the way training (points) are calculated.

Can someone enlighten / confirm the following questions / statements:

Calculating Training Points
trainingpoints=( ( youthacademy level + 1 ) * 5 ) + (HC CP / 2)

What level youth academy do you have if you have premium academy. Manual states there are 5 upgrade levels so I get to 6 levels then. Correct?

Always good to reread the manual and try to understand what's written.

I also see 6 levels, 1 + 5 upgrades. Yes. But my u p d a t e values per week are more in the ball park of 5 levels in total.

There is more.

You get 8 to 12 points by the YA in addition and THEN per AC 10% on that, so example with my trainers numbers:
1 HC with 81 CP
7 ACs
max YA including premium.
So: ( (5+1)*5 + 81/2 + 8 )*((1,1)^7)
= (30 + 40,5 + 8)*1,9487
= (roughly) 153 points, which is in the ballpark of the points I get every training. Sometimes I get more, but that's likely because of premium and I get more than the 8 points in the example.

BUT a very important issue is, that the HC CPs have to be already adjusted by EXP and CON, which means they can be more or less than the original one.
My HC has 81 with EXP = 4.0 and CON = 4.5, so he will have no mor eor less points by EXP, but CON will a l t e r that value by +/- 2%
In my case that's not much but with low exp and low con, this is alot.

I think it would be good if Peter would recheck, whether the text in the manual is still clear, for me it's not, since Premium YA did change some stuff and I'm not sure all phases are adjusted correctly.

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posted: 2019-05-15 14:13:34 (ID: 100139734) Report Abuse
OK thanks for that jack6. VERY helpful.

I have a 5 CON HC so my training points vary by only one point (209 or 210) so using your logic above I have get to a YA adding 9 points. If I use 10 points it gives me 211 CP which I've not seen yet.

Cheesehead wrote:
FYI, Excel formula I used is: =((SUM(5+1)*5)+SUM(99/2)+9)*2.357947691
Result is 208.6783707 (rounded up to 209 I assume)

Inputs:
YA level = 5-1
HC CP= 99
AC = 9 =POWER(1.1,9) (I use periods for decimal points in Excel)


Would indeed be interesting to hear Pete's view on this.
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posted: 2019-05-16 05:37:38 (ID: 100139748)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
When I look at you HC I see 4.5 CON.

I do also not know, whether the HC value can exceed 99 or 100.
With 4.5 con you might get 101 if rounded up, sometimes.

Based on the math you should get between 204 and 218 per update.

Last edited on 2019-05-16 05:46:53 by jack6

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posted: 2019-05-16 06:37:52 (ID: 100139749) Report Abuse
Yes sorry 4.5 CON indeed. My bad.

Since I've had this HC my training points were:

210
209
209
209

Pretty stable. I am keeping track now so barring a comment from Pete re this I'll report back on this at end of season
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posted: 2019-05-16 10:56:43 (ID: 100139753) Report Abuse
The Problem could be the exp visual aspect.
Coaches do gain EXP per game, and at some Point this value is worth 1/2 more of a star.
But whether this is granted after it has for sure that value or it's rounded up or down at some Point, I don't know.

Example: assuming exp is values 1 - 50 Points with 1 Point the lowest and 50 Points the highest, every 10 Points is 1 full star, every 5 Points worth 1/2 star.

Now you can have a visual representation like this: 1-4 Points no star (and all Coaches and Players never get that Kind of value), 5-9 Points is 1/2, 10-14 is 1 star and so on. With that your HC with 4 stars has 40 to 44 Points.

Or you can have it like this: 1 - 2 Points is no star (and no Coach or Player gets that value) 3 - 7 points is 1/2 star, 8 to 12 Points is 1 star and so on. With your HC with 4 stars this would mean he has something between 38 and 42 Points.

I think Option 2 is more likely.

If now the real value, so maybe 39 is used instead of 40 (or more), you get a small reduction on your HC because of EXP.
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posted: 2019-05-16 11:34:29 (ID: 100139754) Report Abuse
If it's like players it is rounded.

A player will start to show 5* EXP when he actually has 4.75* EXP for example.
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posted: 2019-05-16 14:24:07 (ID: 100139757) Report Abuse
likely. With that in mind and with 38 as EXP-value (instead of 40) I get a range of 205 to 215 Points. which would be 209 or 210 as mid range. with gauss curves those values should be the most likely.
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posted: 2019-05-20 04:59:46 (ID: 100139797) Report Abuse
jack6 is right. This week's training points are 213
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