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dogboy
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posted: 2020-03-11 21:04:59 (ID: 100147346) Report Abuse |
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atzucat your quite entitled to your opinion but when watching games nowadays its about the whole atmosphere theres always stuff going on when break in play to keep the crowd entertained.i believe its a big deal to these women/guys that make the roster and its there right to pursue a hobby/career like this.would we feel strongly about backing dancers in a show??just entertainment
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| posted: 2020-03-12 06:39:08 (ID: 100147358) Report Abuse | |
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Except that the NFl does treat their cheerleaders not very well, they are way underpaid and have a VERY harsh codex to follow.
There is tons of such stuff on the net. Sure you can say, 'the women have the right to do it or not to do it', but only because the NFL can treat them as they do, doesn't make it right to do it as they do it. At least they could pay them acordingly and they could also treat them better. Overall I think they should just scratch it. Today you would get much more people 'entertained' on breaks with the screens then with girls in tiny pants. |
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posted: 2020-03-23 22:59:16 (ID: 100147749) Report Abuse |
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Atzucat wrote:
It is unfair to judge past behaviors or attitudes with the norms and customs of the present. What our ancestors found commonplace today would be considered slavery, extreme discrimination against women, or child exploitation. But what is not right, and even denunciable, is to want to keep customs of the past that today have no place in our society. We can put all the excuses we want, at the end that's a sport in itself, that begins to introduce men in it (although very slowly), etc, etc ... but using women, certain types of women and dressed in a certain way, in NFL games in the middle of the 21st century is not, and should not be, in any way acceptable. It's not the NFL, but I'm sure you're aware Motorsport changed its rules on 'grid girls' in recent years... I used to compete in motorsport (rallying), and one of my rivals worked as a model - and yes, she earned money as a 'grid girl'. She also drove trucks, and worked in the pits for a GT/Touring car team... but of all the jobs, it was 'grid girl' she loved the most. When the rules were changed she was absolutely heartbroken, and very angry. Whatever your views on 'objectifying women', nobody is forcing them to do these jobs - and that is what they are, jobs. Most (maybe all!) love their work. |
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| posted: 2020-03-24 02:09:20 (ID: 100147753) Report Abuse | |
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jack6 wrote:
Except that the NFl does treat their cheerleaders not very well, they are way underpaid and have a VERY harsh codex to follow. There is tons of such stuff on the net. Sure you can say, 'the women have the right to do it or not to do it', but only because the NFL can treat them as they do, doesn't make it right to do it as they do it. At least they could pay them acordingly and they could also treat them better. Overall I think they should just scratch it. Today you would get much more people 'entertained' on breaks with the screens then with girls in tiny pants. In general, I think big business in America doesn't treat the lowest paid individual very well. I think with cheer leading, it was originally not seen as a paid job...kind of like at the high school and college level - - volunteers. I do find it funny though...i see in Europe that they a pushing back on objectification of women - - perhaps in sports, but specifically in advertising. In the states, I think the 2nd amendment/right to free speech prevents that. And yet in much of Europe prostitution is legal where over here, it's obviously common (as well), but illegal. Steve SD Blitz |
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| posted: 2020-03-24 11:45:01 (ID: 100147758) Report Abuse | |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
jack6 wrote:
Except that the NFl does treat their cheerleaders not very well, they are way underpaid and have a VERY harsh codex to follow. There is tons of such stuff on the net. Sure you can say, 'the women have the right to do it or not to do it', but only because the NFL can treat them as they do, doesn't make it right to do it as they do it. At least they could pay them acordingly and they could also treat them better. Overall I think they should just scratch it. Today you would get much more people 'entertained' on breaks with the screens then with girls in tiny pants. In general, I think big business in America doesn't treat the lowest paid individual very well. I think with cheer leading, it was originally not seen as a paid job...kind of like at the high school and college level - - volunteers. I do find it funny though...i see in Europe that they a pushing back on objectification of women - - perhaps in sports, but specifically in advertising. In the states, I think the 2nd amendment/right to free speech prevents that. And yet in much of Europe prostitution is legal where over here, it's obviously common (as well), but illegal. Steve SD Blitz Wikipedia reckons prostitution is legal in 8 out of 44 European countries, I don't think it's fair to compare a mixture of 44 countries, with their own independent laws, to one country on it's own? Even if that country is made up of different "united" states. |
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| posted: 2020-03-24 11:55:58 (ID: 100147759) Report Abuse | |
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Solana_Steve wrote:And yet in much of Europe prostitution is legal where over here, it's obviously common (as well), but illegal.
Not stepping to deep into it, but you should consider one thing: If a woman/man decides - completely on her/his own, to work as a sex-worker, and if the society can somehow protect her/him from terrible working conditions, violent "clients" and pimps, why this should be illegal? See the red light district in Amsterdam. With the given conditions and it seems to work somehow. Same applies for lightweight drugs. Whenever a society decides to turn "light crime" things into illegal, it did not solve the situation but fill jails. Compare the situation in the US for drug crime. So, is it a marker in one or another direction to measure upon sex workership is legal or illegal? I don't believe so. |
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| posted: 2020-04-03 17:23:20 (ID: 100148092) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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@Atzucat (and any other who may think as you do),
You're a male, aren't you ? (I am). Could you please explain to me : - why should a male decide what is good or bad (or what is or is not acceptable) for a female ? - why shouldn't any male just tell any female "you are free to decide on your own" ? - Do you want any female to tell you what is good (or acceptable) for you as a male ? Last edited on 2020-04-04 12:07:57 by Drogon |
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| posted: 2020-04-04 02:00:02 (ID: 100148094) Report Abuse | |
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Drogon wrote:
@Atzucat (and any other who may think as you do), You're a male, aren't you ? (I am). Could you please explain to me : - why should a male decide what is good or bad (or what is or is not acceptable for) for a female ? - why souldn't any male just tell any female "you are free to decide on your own" ? - Do you want any female to tell you what is good (or acceptable) for you as a male ? We should just expend this further....- why should anyone decide what is good or bad (or what is or is not acceptable for) for a anyone else? And yet we have so few libertarian people and governments in this world. :-( Steve SD Blitz |
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| posted: 2020-04-04 08:25:44 (ID: 100148096) Report Abuse | |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
And yet we have so few libertarian people and governments in this world. :-( Steve SD Blitz Maybe because in a world driven by capitalism the poors have to be protected from the infinite greed of the rich, which libertarian parties do not have on their agenda. |
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