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gabriel06
posted: 2017-05-28 20:38:08 (ID: 100105633) Report Abuse
extra money over the course of the term yes - but arguably not worth it if you lose the chunk out of your finances immediately with the profit not showing until virtually season close.

IMO this is all or nothing. If the pledges from clubs don't achieve a target that by themselves will see a healthy return, I don't see the point in it being done.
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Adventurers
posted: 2017-05-28 20:42:31 (ID: 100105634) Report Abuse
you're right that if you want to invest heavily now in players then the mediacentre will impede this as you will have to wait a full season for the fruits of your investment
every manager needs to weigh up this decision based on their own plans
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gabriel06
posted: 2017-05-28 21:43:00 (ID: 100105637) Report Abuse
definitely....managers will need to consider the financial forecast and their weekly surpluses and deficits to ensure they can properly afford this investment, not even taking into account possible additional or replacement player and coaching costs.....in fact the more I think about it, the less inclined I am to believe this is worthwhile, as I really don't think the quota needed to achieve a decent return will be achieved, but I guess only really time will tell on that
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gabriel06
posted: 2017-05-29 08:47:58 (ID: 100105679) Report Abuse
someone on the discussion thread is suggesting their own league will be not investing in this season, but planning to do so next season, so managers can budget for the investment, rather than trying to cobble together something now and potentially doing more harm than good.

I think this is extremely sensible and propose this is the strategy that we take here in Admirals.
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Yashin
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posted: 2017-05-29 09:29:30 (ID: 100105690) Report Abuse
gabriel06 wrote:
someone on the discussion thread is suggesting their own league will be not investing in this season, but planning to do so next season, so managers can budget for the investment, rather than trying to cobble together something now and potentially doing more harm than good.

I think this is extremely sensible and propose this is the strategy that we take here in Admirals.


This is the most important reason to reach the goal in this first season. Who starts first gain a big advantage. Next season every league will be ready to start and those who won't be able to fund it will remain behind.
Consider also that many 2.X leagues (full of bots) will go in the green zone without efforts, allowing relegated teams and strong 2.X teams to come up big from the bottom.
Now is the time if we want to stay in pole-position. Next season it will be a rush not to lose.
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gabriel06
posted: 2017-05-29 10:30:31 (ID: 100105701) Report Abuse
the Admirals league has been at the fore front for 25 seasons now - long before this has been introduced. We are not the richest - we are the best, as we have a strength of depth of quality of team here - other leagues have stronger individual teams, but not the reach that we do.

A few extra million quid per team - on the very weak assumption all other leagues will achieve it - will not significantly damage this, and I don't think that attempted 'scare tactics' should be used to try and enforce the investment, rather than making it a properly thought out and correctly applied strategy for all concerned....not just a few who can 'easily' afford it.

On this basis, I will be withdrawing my pledge.
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Yashin
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posted: 2017-05-29 11:07:33 (ID: 100105704)  Edits found: 2 Report Abuse
gabriel06 wrote:
the Admirals league has been at the fore front for 25 seasons now - long before this has been introduced. We are not the richest - we are the best, as we have a strength of depth of quality of team here - other leagues have stronger individual teams, but not the reach that we do.

Fully agree with this sentence.
Depth of quality is something that doesn't come out of nothing. In Admirals we have the mentality, the discipline and the vision. Those who lack some of these abilities (I can remember IdealGassers, just to make an example) burn bright like comets and disappear in the void.

gabriel06 wrote:A few extra million quid per team - on the very weak assumption all other leagues will achieve it - will not significantly damage this,

Perhaps it doesn't, but it starts a mentality trend.
Suppose that we won't achieve the goal in Season 26, we will start again the same discussion at the beginning of 27th and then again and again. Do you still think that in 3-5 seasons, leagues that cooperate will still gain neglegible advantages ?
If we can do it now, we will easily do it in the following seasons. The first step out of the door is always the most difficult to do.

gabriel06 wrote: and I don't think that attempted 'scare tactics' should be used to try and enforce the investment, rather than making it a properly thought out and correctly applied strategy for all concerned....not just a few who can 'easily' afford it.

If the "scare tactics" is the message you received, I'm making communication mistakes. Perhaps is my bad English, perhaps it's my determination in catching this occasion. I think that none should be scared about anything, I'm simply saying that it is an opportunity we should take it now. It's like entering into a ball (dancing night ). You can start dancing anytime during the party, but most of the couples will be arranged at the beginning. What is left could not give you the same experience (slippery metaphor, but I think it can deliver the message)

gabriel06 wrote:On this basis, I will be withdrawing my pledge.

I'm sorry I'm obtaining the opposite effect... perhaps I should stay silent and let things happen.
I really believe we can have a real benefit out of it, but I can only convince myself...

P.S. If I gave you the idea I have a billionaire bank account, I did another big communication mistake. Pledging 50 millions will almost bring my finances to 0, but I'm still in green seasonal balance, so I think I can afford the try.

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gabriel06
posted: 2017-05-29 11:37:31 (ID: 100105706) Report Abuse
My friend, you are entitled to your opinion and it is respected - as much as I'm entitled to mine. We all see things differently - this is the beauty of a forum and to discuss things. I'm not saying I'm right - I'm not saying youre wrong....I just don't think that the effect is going to be as 'bad' as portrayed - as I simply don't think all other leagues will be able to do it (either)....and even if they do, I don't think it will bridge the gap massively between us and them.

I do think it benefits 3.x and 2.x teams more but I don't think that to be a bad thing...competition is good, and more long standing teams and managers is also beneficial, for leagues and the game in general, so I very much support this.

Then - from my perspective - I don't feel that it would be a good move to do when in transition. My funds aren't great and depending on how the draft goes, I may need to invest yet in my playing corps. So for me, although I *could* afford 25m or more, I feel that could be better served in playing personnel and go again at this next season. But as its a league co-efficient, I may or may not be able to do this.

If you guys do proceed and it works out, then I will be very happy for you all. If it doesn't, ill take no pleasure in it. It is an excellent addition from Pete bringing a new dynamic to the game. It will be very interesting to see how it all pans out.
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andrew2scott2
posted: 2017-05-29 16:17:29 (ID: 100105735) Report Abuse
we still need more pledges for sesason 26 at this point.
As we seen on the test run above 75% 1.2b the returns are around 110%
So let hear who is commited to get extra income
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andrew2scott2
posted: 2017-05-29 16:18:43 (ID: 100105738) Report Abuse
andrew2scott2 wrote:
Just so we can keep it clear comment below if you are contribute
The amount.
1st goal is 905m which means a return 102%
2nd goal 1.205b return 110%

bobcats 50m
Adventurers 50m
The Golden Taints 25m
BobBoy Magpies 25m
Dinorwic Miners50m
Morgantown Mad Dogs 50m if they dont get sent down
Touch it Down 69ers 50m
Bracciano Lakers 50m
Lakefield Vikings 50m
Comagena Lions 50m
Comeback Kids 50m
Galrauch Raiders 50m

current
550m/905m
905m Is the mark

12/32teams are giving

as of 5/29
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