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| posted: 2022-01-03 22:52:08 (ID: 100163743) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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B cannot apply with this wording, since the ball was not out the endzone during the whole play, and was never OOB.
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| posted: 2022-01-03 22:54:53 (ID: 100163745) Report Abuse | |
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Dumbarajko wrote:
pete wrote:
Dumbo, you're too slow  Damn this Serbian bad internet   |
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| posted: 2022-01-03 22:55:54 (ID: 100163746) Report Abuse | |
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| posted: 2022-01-03 23:08:06 (ID: 100163747) Report Abuse | |
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Anyone has a Madden installation? What happens there? And yes, this reddit is superb to read
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| posted: 2022-01-04 07:58:40 (ID: 100163749) Report Abuse | |
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Okay. It seemed so crazy to me that my first thought was that it was an engine error.
But I can see that there are more complicated minds around here than mine 
Now, reading your arguments, I see that the error is not in the game engine but in my opponent's playbook. |
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| posted: 2022-01-04 08:38:16 (ID: 100163750) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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linkleo911 wrote:
It is a Safety: (a) if the offense commits a foul in its own end zone or (b) when an impetus by a team sends the ball behind its own goal line, and the ball is dead in the end zone in its possession or the ball is out of bounds behind the goal line. http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/14_2013_Scoring.pdf I think (b) applies here. pete wrote:
B cannot apply with this wording, since the ball was not out the endzone during the whole play, and was never OOB. I think nobody expects someone to try this in real live, since even the record is far from 70 yards, so 111 yards is just beyond expectations. If you think of the field goal rule " MISSED FIELD GOALS Article 2 Missed Field Goals. If there is a missed field-goal attempt, and the ball has not been touched by the receivers beyond the line in the field of play, the following shall apply: (a) If the spot of the kick was inside the receivers’ 20-yard line, it is the receivers’ ball at the 20-yard line or (b) If the spot of the kick was from the receivers’ 20-yard line or beyond the receivers’ 20-yard line, it is the receivers’ ball at the spot of the kick. " source: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/14_Rule11_Scoring.pdf 2 b) says basically the ball is placed on the spot of the kick, means, the ball is ruled as dead at the spot of the kick which would from my point of view be interpretated as 'an impetus by a team sends the ball behind its own goal line, and the ball is dead' hence a safety. It's like a player got the snap inside the endzone and declared himself deab by kneeling. But I would like to see what Madden does on this.
EDIT: Did add the kneeling part. Last edited on 2022-01-04 08:40:17 by jack6 |
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| posted: 2022-01-04 14:18:02 (ID: 100163756) Report Abuse | |
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To counter: impetus cannot happen by a dead ball, because it is dead. And it cannot happen by the referees. The linked reddit has lots of good discussion about this point. I stick with my argument it was a touchdown.
The snapper snapped the ball in the field, and moved it over the goalline to the holder. Means impetus came from the offense. The ball is dead by rule at the point of kicking. the 20 yards zone rule does not apply, because the ball is dead outside the field. new play after the dead ball and the turnover: touchdown on snap. To make it a safety, the ball would have to enter the from field to endzone by imptetus of the offense, and a tackle or fumble or similar would need to happen and MAKE THAT PLAY DEAD. This did not happen. |
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| posted: 2022-01-04 14:26:42 (ID: 100163758) Report Abuse | |
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popopotamo wrote:
Now, reading your arguments, I see that the error is not in the game engine but in my opponent's playbook. This is the reason I am not applying any "bugfix" to it. I truly believe if a manager goes for "fieldgoal from anywhere" stuff, it is outside any conditions the engine has to handle properly. However, it is a funny topic to discuss. |
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| posted: 2022-01-05 07:58:22 (ID: 100163813) Report Abuse | |
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pete wrote:
To counter: impetus cannot happen by a dead ball, because it is dead. And it cannot happen by the referees. The linked reddit has lots of good discussion about this point. I stick with my argument it was a touchdown. The snapper snapped the ball in the field, and moved it over the goalline to the holder. Means impetus came from the offense. The ball is dead by rule at the point of kicking. the 20 yards zone rule does not apply, because the ball is dead outside the field. new play after the dead ball and the turnover: touchdown on snap. To make it a safety, the ball would have to enter the from field to endzone by imptetus of the offense, and a tackle or fumble or similar would need to happen and MAKE THAT PLAY DEAD. This did not happen. The impetus is the snap itself, the ball is dead at the spot the holder places it. The same would be true if a player would get the ball by a long snap inside the endzone and kneels down. The reddit discussion also has that argument and I think it's how it would be ruled. But that's just my oppinion. |
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| posted: 2022-01-05 08:41:35 (ID: 100163816) Report Abuse | |
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We will, probably, never get more than opinions on this.
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