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| posted: 2024-08-18 08:37:36 (ID: 100185888) Report Abuse | |
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Buziano wrote:
I have been out of the game for several months because of real life issues. And I have a question related to this Newbie Bootcamp Friendly Cup so I respect the rules of this cup. Would you like me to go back to some basic playbook settings and not to a developed playbook ? I haven't played with a written playbook for a long time so how do I go about it ? Thanks for your kind words, Buziano 
I appreciate you asking, but there are no specific rules to this Friendly Cup. Everyone plays to the capacity that he/she is able to. I just don't want to demotivate the new managers, instead show some things that help understand the mechanics of the game better. That's why I have gone back to the basic playbook. But you have me curious: What do you mean by not having played with a written playbook for a long time? Do you mean "newly written"?  |
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| posted: 2024-08-18 09:59:50 (ID: 100185898) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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It’s Game Day 2 today, and these are the match-ups:
Social Distance Runners @ Black Knights Both teams have win streaks going in their respective leagues: the Black Knights now have won 3 consecutive games in the Fire league and the Runners are still unbeaten in the Sea Devils league. This match-up seems to be a case for Caption Obvious, given the impressive win by the Runners last weekend, but who knows what the engine will do in Power Mode. A win by the Knights would make the group very interesting. Theth Viking Bear’s @ HAMBURG SEA LIONS The HAMBURG SEA LIONS won a nail-biter yesterday by 1 point. The Bears still go through the usual valley of crushing losses at the start of a managers career and added another one yesterday. If they win against the SEA LIONS today, though, they have 2 wins and great chances to advance to the playoff round of this Cup. Tennessee Frontiersmen @ Άρις Μεσσηνίας The men from Aris lost in crushing fashion yesterday to the former Bootcamp participant Braska Bangers 09. The Frontiersmen meanwhile won convincingly against the Sydney Sloths (who, side note, won against the HAMBURG SEA LIONS in the Supercup earlier this season). In this Friendly Cup both teams already have 1 win in the bank, and the winner of this game will likely advance to the playoff round. Salopian Flame @ Bretzfeld Bandits Both teams lost their first game in this Friendly Cup, only one of them will be winless after today, though. The home team added another win to their streak in the league yesterday, which is now going on for 5 games already. The visitors, too, had an impressive win yesterday against conference competition. This game will be brought to you by the RZA network as Match of the Day. Good luck to everyone  Last edited on 2024-08-18 11:57:17 by Chrill |
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| posted: 2024-08-18 17:58:48 (ID: 100185906) Report Abuse | |
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Chrill wrote:
Buziano wrote:
I have been out of the game for several months because of real life issues. And I have a question related to this Newbie Bootcamp Friendly Cup so I respect the rules of this cup. Would you like me to go back to some basic playbook settings and not to a developed playbook ? I haven't played with a written playbook for a long time so how do I go about it ? Thanks for your kind words, Buziano
I appreciate you asking, but there are no specific rules to this Friendly Cup. Everyone plays to the capacity that he/she is able to. I just don't want to demotivate the new managers, instead show some things that help understand the mechanics of the game better. That's why I have gone back to the basic playbook. But you have me curious: What do you mean by not having played with a written playbook for a long time? Do you mean "newly written"? I mistyped. I meant the opposite of what the sentence indicates. I haven’t been playing without a written playbook for a long time. Since the beginning actually. I got here by recommendation by another manager whom I “met” at Maxithlon. He told me about the importance of the playbook.while my first ones were rather simple I developed them further and further afterwards. |
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| posted: 2024-08-19 10:33:17 (ID: 100185914) Report Abuse | |
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Buziano wrote:
I mistyped. I meant the opposite of what the sentence indicates. I haven’t been playing without a written playbook for a long time. Since the beginning actually. Allright. Wouldn't have made sense anyway 
What do you mean by "since the beginning", though? Did you open the playbook right away when you joined? Buziano wrote:
while my first ones were rather simple I developed them further and further afterwards. Would you mind sharing how many playbooks you have set up in the many seasons since you joined? We're playing on the 7th offensive playbook this season (having set up the first one in S49), not taking into account some variations that I did in the past for specific opponents. Only on offense, though, the defensive playbook has been the same since S52/53, the latter being under constant review, of course  |
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| posted: 2024-08-19 10:37:00 (ID: 100185915) Report Abuse | |
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The second game day came and went, now it’s again time to look at the matches and see what happened. As many things that can be perfectly used as educational material happened in the game Theth Viking Bear’s @ HAMBURG SEA LIONS I will write about that one in a separate post later today.
Social Distance Runners 31:24 Black Knights The Black Knights were the first to score in this one, coming out of the first quarter with a 3:0 lead. They missed a FG at the end of Q1, which gave the Runners a short field to cover for their first TD of the day. The ensuing drives of both teams ended with TDs each. Then the Knights lost a fumble, but were lucky that the Runners couldn’t score from this one, so it was a 4 point lead for the latter at the half. After the break again TDs were traded, but the Black Knights were not able to get significantly close to take the game from the Runners, despite the Runners turning the ball over once. In the end two missed FGs lost the Knights the game. There’s fairly little to say about this game. It played out good for both sides, but in the end the superior playbook of the Runners won the game. Like in the first game it was evident from the start that they were able to manipulate the Defense of the Knights to get into looks that they then could exploit. These missed FGs by the Knights are maddening, yes. But they were tried from pretty far out, and it’s a testament to the defensive playbook of the Runners, too. Tennessee Frontiersmen 21:28 Άρις Μεσσηνίας The first half was a tough defensive battle in this game. The Frontiersmen scored in Q1, but the men from Aris fought consequently for their chance to score, converting 3 4th Downs in the first half and were behind only by a TD when Q3 started. The second half became a turnover festival with the better outcome for the Greek, who are still unbeaten in this Friendly Cup. The manager of Άρις Μεσσηνίας does some amazing things with his playbook, which I really love and appreciate. He seems to really be exploring the possibilities of how to manipulate the opposing defense using one formation only. It’s evident from the first drive on: only using the I-Formation he constantly goes for passing, just to switch to Rush on the opposing side of the field. And later he switches to rush on his own side and exploits the passing defense by the opponent with that, too, even converting the first of two 4th Downs in this drive. This experimenting naturally leads to some quirks, like the errant Punt after just converting another 4th Down early in Q2. And it it still a lot of thinking to be done adding variety with different formations (although even this seems to be in process already, as suddenly in Q4 the Flexbone formation was used… ONCE). But overall it feels like this team is on a pretty good way to succeed someday. Salopian Flame 17:27 Bretzfeld Bandits The visiting Salopian Flame jumped in front 3:0 early in the game, but then could not score again due to multiple FG misses and turnovers in Q2 and a strong defense by the opponent in Q3. They did score 2 TDs in the last quarter, but could not catch up to the Bandits anymore. For the latter, meanwhile, scored in each quarter at least 3 points, so their cushion in Q4 was already big enough to never really fear that they could still lose the game. The Salopian Flame already has an interesting defensive scheme going on. And I really like the fact that they played a very balanced game offensively yesterday, doing some good things along the way. Those turnovers really suck, though, and missed FGs from 34 Yards are head scratchers. But in the end it was a win of a more experienced manager with a more sophisticated playbook. |
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| posted: 2024-08-19 13:09:10 (ID: 100185916) Report Abuse | |
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Chrill wrote:
What do you mean by "since the beginning", though? Did you open the playbook right away when you joined? Yes, this was one of the first things I did. The manager who introduced me to the game told me that the playbook was extremely important and if I wanted to win matches I should make them a priority. In the beginning the playbooks were rather simple and relied on only a few settings. Probably something like 50 lines and lots of Shotgun4WR which were kind of giving you lots of success, especially with rushing by a FB. Pete later fixed this "glitch". |
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Buziano wrote:
Yes, this was one of the first things I did. The manager who introduced me to the game told me that the playbook was extremely important and if I wanted to win matches I should make them a priority. Do you still operate from the game center? Or do you have everything defined in your playbook? Last edited on 2024-08-19 13:31:17 by Chrill |
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Chrill wrote:
Would you mind sharing how many playbooks you have set up in the many seasons since you joined? Probably hundreds 
Very fast I took three directions for offense playbooks : 1. one favouring passing game 2. one favouring rushing game 3. one for bot games only And then I experimented a lot, especially in friendly games. Later on I tried to adapt my playbooks to each opponent. Especially during the pandemic in 2020, as many I had lots of time on my hands. So I analysed each opponent and adapted my playbooks to exploit their weaknesses and blind spots. This got me three times into the Elite playoffs and RZA had never be more fun for me. Then real life came back in 2021 and I had to reduce my time here by a lot. Since then I basically went back to working basically with three or four playbooks and six backups that I throw in for fun to see what happens in less important matches. The defense playbooks are less differentiated. I may have three or four different ones depending on the plays most often used by opposing team in an important match. While my initial offense playbooks had about 30-50 lines, today it's between 450-500. I can only assume but my guess is that the playbooks by a true Elite veteran like Holly (Mandalorians) may have more than a thousand lines. In the past I tried many times analysing his matches and went crazy as the definitions of what to do in each situation must be extremely fine tuned. |
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| posted: 2024-08-19 13:34:49 (ID: 100185919) Report Abuse | |
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Now, on to an in-depth examination of what happened in the fourth game past Sunday:
Theth Viking Bear’s 20:43 HAMBURG SEA LIONS The SEA LIONS scored a TD on their first possession, nearly lost a fumble on their way down the field. The Viking Bear’s answered with 2 FG in the first half, but couldn’t prevent the opponent from scoring. So it was 17:6 in favor of the home team at the half. Then all hell broke loose: On their first possession in the second half the Bears tried to go for it on 4th&7 in their own redzone, but failed. On their second possession they passed and ran against cleverly down the field, only to fail on 4th Down again… this time on the opposing 23 yard line with only 1 yard to go. On their next possession they threw an interception thanks to inexperience of the ball distributor, then again failed to convert 4th&2 on the opposing 21 yard line. 4 more interceptions followed , before they could finally could two drives together to score TDs in the final 6 minutes of the game. The SEA LIONS meanwhile had capitalized on most turnovers, so they won the game. Before I dive into it I’d like to somewhat apologize: When I told about the adjustments in our basic playbook and after that made aware of the flaw in the basic playbook regarding the defense with which the Big-I-Formation is met, I should have emphasized that, IF one would want to exploit this flaw, it should be tried in the first half. In the second half the SEA LIONS defended 4-4-3 and 3-4-4 exclusively, which led to the hullabalooza that ensued in the second half. However still: the way things unfolded makes me think that the manager of the Bear’s had the right thoughts about how to attack. Knowing that I only defended with a passing formation on 3rd Down he attacked the 4-4-3 defense with passes again and again, only rushing on 3rd Down against 3-4-4. This, I would expect, would have led to great success in the first half when I defended with the basic rules. Maybe there would have been an interception or two, too, but the way the defense is switching also would have allowed some big yardage gains with passing. It wouldn’t have been necessary to play that way using playbook lines for it, though. Look no further than Q1 and my usage of the I-Formation, which I set up in the Game Settings: 1st Down Pass Formation: I-Formation 1st Down Rush Formation: random 1st Down distribution: pass and rush 2nd Down Pass Formation: random 2nd Down Rush Formation: I-Formation 2nd Down distribution: prefer rush This way the offense constantly attacks one Formation different again and again, while all the other formations stay in play, too. And a greater variety of formations, in my observation, leads to longer drives and ultimately more points. To start a playbook a somewhat safer approach to make the first steps would be to define certain situations first, like it was done with the 4th-Down conversion tries in the second half. I’m sure that they are pretty self explanatory once the outcome of these added lines in the playbook was seen yesterday, so I’ll not go into them specifically (please DM me, though, if you want me to). FG rules for example can set up much more delicate in the playbook than in the game settings, as well as Punt rules. Always be cautious with using „any“ in the playbook, offensively AND defensively. More specific rules mostly mean less hair raising outcomes of these rules. Just make sure to let them be proof read by the playbook checker to see if your rule applies the way you want it to. And finally about these many interceptions in Q4: One might ask why they all occurred against the 4-4-3 defense, as it is a rushing defense, no? Well, yes, but no. There still are 4 LB and 3 DB in the game in this defense, AND it was not exactly an offensive formation predicated on passing the ball to attack that defense with, either. Big-I-Formation has only one WR lined up on the right wing. The other two pass catchers are TEs on the left and the right side of the O-Line. This way mostly the middle part of the field is attacked by passes, and there the experienced LBs had the upper hand over the inexperienced QB. It would have been different if the 4-4-3 defense would have been attacked constantly with at least 2 WRs or maybe even 4. Look here for a good overview of the formations and which personell is lining up how —> Manual: Formations |
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posted: 2024-08-19 15:18:51 (ID: 100185920) Report Abuse |
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I am trying to understand what you want to say from your analysis and that's not quite easy.
Do you think I did the right choice trying to change the playbook ? Was it too specific, that's why I attacked only in 443 and 344. And if I understand a little part of what you are saying you shouldn't use a lot of any in the playbook, but be more specific. And use a lot of formations different to try to destabilize the other teams. Am I right ? Still very confuse really hard to understand everyting |
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