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canonico
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posted: 2012-06-01 05:09:52 (ID: 43099) Report Abuse |
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Forty-Six Defensive Formation (46)
The 46. Notice the strong safety in the box and the 2 outside linebackers shifted to the same side outside of the defensive end  Source: http://i50.tinypic.com/34fxke8.png It meets the criteria of having two OLB aldo they align on the same side. Dont know if thats a issue? If it is an issue it can be modified placing the LOLB between the MLB and the SS. It would be a modified 46 defense. Description (Its long but might be usefull to descrive it) Buddy Ryan once said in an interview (while he was with the Chicago Bears), "to stop a passing game you had to put pressure on it, some teams are good enough do it with a three man rush, but we're not, in fact I don't know if we can do it with a four man rush, if we need to send eight we'll send eight but we're not going to let you sit back there and pick us apart all day." The 46 defense was an innovative defense with a unique defensive front. Bill Walsh himself said that the 46 defense was the single most important innovation on the defensive side of the ball in the last 25 years. The 46 defense was designed to confuse and put pressure on the opposing offense, especially their quarterback. A hyper-aggressive variant of the 4-3 base set, the 46 dramatically shifted the defensive line to the weak side (the opposite end from the offense's tight end), with both guards and the center "covered" by the left defensive end and both defensive tackles. This front forced offenses to immediately account for the defenders lined up directly in front of them, making it considerably harder to execute blocking assignments such as pulling, trapping and pass protection in general. Moreover, the weak side defensive end would be aligned one to two yards outside the left offensive tackle, leaving opposing tackle 'on an island' when trying to block the pass rush. Another key feature of the 46 is that both outside linebackers tend to play on the strong side of the formation. To avoid confusion, the strong and weak side linebackers (who are no longer lined up on opposite sides) are often renamed the 'Jack' and 'Charley' linebackers, respectively. The linebackers line up behind the linemen somewhere between one and three yards from the line of scrimmage. The primary tactic is to rush between five and eight players on each play, either to get to the quarterback quickly or disrupt running plays, although dropping some players back into pass coverage after seemingly indicating that they will blitz (see zone blitzing) is another method of creating confusion. Ryan would use all of these rushers to out-man and overwhelm the offense. Another major key to the 46 is the ability of the cornerbacks to play man-free and bump-and-run coverage. Bump-and-run can allow the defense to take away the quarterback's immediate decision-making ability, by disrupting the timing of short routes needed to make a quick throw to beat the 46 defense.[3] The formation was very effective in the 1980s NFL because it often negated a team's running game and forced them to throw the ball. This was difficult for many teams at the time because most offensive passing games centered around the play-action pass, a situation that often favored the defense even further with the quarterback lined up to receive the snap from directly behind the center. Currently, the 46 is rarely used in professional and college football (with the exception of teams led by Buddy's sons, the New York Jets coached by Rex Ryan, and the 2010 Cleveland Browns when Rob Ryan was the defensive coordinator). This is largely because of the popularity of the West Coast Offense, used successfully by San Francisco 49ers head coach Bill Walsh, and other offensive schemes that rely on short, timed passes from formations with multiple receivers. A minor weakness of the 46 defense can be too many defensive players lining up near the line of scrimmage to blitz, leaving areas open for receivers to catch passes. Also, short, timed passes can be thrown before the players blitzing have a chance to reach the quarterback. Another problem is that most teams do not have enough impact players to run the 46 as effectively as the 1980s Bears, the late 1980s Eagles and the 1993 Oilers did. Those teams fielded some of the best front-seven defenses ever, and included such players as Mike Singletary, Reggie White, Richard Dent, Dan Hampton, Clyde Simmons, and Wilber Marshall. The ideas of the 46 defense are more often used in today's game by bringing a fourth defensive back (usually the strong safety) up closer to the line of scrimmage, as an eighth man in "the box" to help stop the run. Defenses today may also run safety blitzes and corner blitzes at crucial moments without committing wholly to the "46" defense. Up front, teams still use the concept of the "T-N-T" front, where defensive linemen are lined up over the center and the two guards. This makes it difficult for the interior linemen to reach any of the linebackers on the second level. |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-06-02 11:25:58 (ID: 43237) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Defense 3 up to 5 DL, but balanced! 1 or 2 MLB 1 OLB per side 1 or 2 CB per side, but balanced But we have formations w/o OLB-s Like 5-2 and 4-1 Dime. My offer 3-2 Dime LDE-NT-RDE MLB1-MLB2 RCB1-RCB2-RFS-LSS-LCB1-LCB2 And Quater LDE-NT-RDE MLB RCB1-RCB2-RSS-CFS-LSS-LCB1-LCB2 Anti-pass formations. |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-06-02 11:28:40 (ID: 43238) Report Abuse |
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And power-I
LTE-LT-LG-OC-RG-RT-RTE QB FBC HBC1 HBC2 Rushing ans short-passing formatiom. |
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| posted: 2012-06-02 16:58:27 (ID: 43262) Report Abuse | |
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dark_wing wrote:
And power-I LTE-LT-LG-OC-RG-RT-RTE QB FBC HBC1 HBC2 Rushing ans short-passing formatiom. There can't be two HBC on the field, I am sorry |
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Warlord99
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posted: 2012-08-06 03:15:22 (ID: 50396) Report Abuse |
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How about the good old 8-men-in-the-box defense
4 down linemen,MLB, LOLB, ROLB, LCB and RCB, FS, SS, with one of the safeties up on the line. This is a formation that the real NFL Cardinals use extensively although they have backed off from it a bit, essentially the idea is to put one safety deep, with the D-linemen, the 3 LB's, and the 2 CB near the line, and the other safety either blitzing or dropping back as the ball is snapped to help stop the run or drop back into coverage depending on the play. For an example of the play here is the image of what it would look like.  Source: http://discountfootballmerchandise.com/images/8_in_the_box.jpg |
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| posted: 2012-08-06 08:37:38 (ID: 50418) Report Abuse | |
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The current engine does not support Men out of their slot. So the S would line up behind the LBs...you could achieve such a thing via blitzing, but this is for sure not the same result as you wish.
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Warlord99
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posted: 2012-08-06 09:31:05 (ID: 50428) Report Abuse |
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essentially the blitz is what creates the 8 men in the box thing, the diagram was just showing how it would look if the safety was coming on the blitz, essentially the safety plays his normal spot, just blitzes or drops back at the last possible second rather than showing what he will do right off the bat
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-14 23:58:36 (ID: 52379) Report Abuse |
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3-3-5 and/or 4-2-5
4CBs and a FS and/or 4CBs and a SS Concept could be for FS to double on hot WR, SS to double on hot TE. Gamble vs run - good vs pass. To kill, or substantially negate, passing attacks designed to throw to 1 superstar WR or TE. |
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alexkasker
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posted: 2012-09-06 19:51:26 (ID: 55576) Report Abuse |
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I don't know what to call this but I've sen the packers run it before. I have two variations on it. It's almost like a three-back wishbone of a sort.
You can also replace one of the FBs with a TE. First variation: QB under center WRL......................OTL OGL OC OGR OTR....................WRR ..........................................QB ................................FBL..............FBR .........................................HBC Second variation: shotgun WRL......................OTL OGL OC OGR OTR....................WRR ..............................FBL.......QB.....FBR ..........................................HBC The majority of the plays would be rushing, but you could also mix in some passes to backs out of the backfield and some passes to the WRs. Here's a picture of the second variation:  Source: http://smartfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/OU.png Last edited on 2012-09-06 19:59:26 by alexkasker |
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alexkasker
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posted: 2012-09-06 20:13:25 (ID: 55583) Report Abuse |
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And I know this one could be tricky but I would be interested in seeing a Wildcat formation. Something like this.....
HBL...............TEL OGL OC OGR OTL OTR............WR.........QB ...................................................TER .................................HBC I realize it's probably quite tricky to program this but I would be quite interested in it. See this picture if you have quesstions on the formation.....  Source: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Cz_AsSsFuqk/SgVzc2ksFjI/AAAAAAAAAJs/Mgtky2JdVuQ/s320/Wildcat_Power_Diagram.jpg |
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