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| posted: 2014-08-02 05:29:02 (ID: 100039388) Report Abuse | |
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Drogon wrote:
stealyourface wrote:
i would love to hear your reasoning for supporting a terrorist group Does this mean i'm supporting what you call a terrorist group ? Sorry for this question. I did not read all the posts.  |
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posted: 2014-08-02 05:33:10 (ID: 100039389) Report Abuse |
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Drogon wrote:
Drogon wrote:
stealyourface wrote:
i would love to hear your reasoning for supporting a terrorist group Does this mean i'm supporting what you call a terrorist group ? Sorry for this question. I did not read all the posts. its ok like i said i think we should agree to disagree nobodys getting convinced and im just getting all riled up i think the one thing we can all agree on is the hope for the least amount of civilian casualties, israeli or palestinian |
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posted: 2014-08-02 05:36:20 (ID: 100039390) Report Abuse |
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stealyourface wrote:
i figure at this point we should just agree to disagree and still be friends im getting tired over here and i can see that i wont convince anyone the one thing i will say is that everyone has been respectful everybody knows my position, and im not by any means going to try and force my beliefs on anybody cheers  Cheers! |
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posted: 2014-08-02 06:06:01 (ID: 100039393) Report Abuse |
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stealyourface wrote:
Aquashift wrote:
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I do not support any side. I'm trying to make my own opinion from outside. The seek of truth does not mean being partisan. When someone says something you need to understand why it is said and what is not said, what is hidden (same thing when someone does something). Then, yes, you can consider me as the devil's advocate. exemple : when you wrote kidnapped. You knew that kidnapped was not the appropriate word you should have used but it was more suitable according to your ideas, that's why you put "captured" in quotation marks, and also due to your support of one side and the effect you expected on people's mind. I support Hamas over Israel any day. Both are bad and have done horrific things, its just Israel has WAY more money and power so they can slant things however they want. But Yah, I'd choose Hamas over Israel any day. so you're blaming israel because they have beter ways of protecting its citizens so what about the tunnels and the soldier capture and the broken ceasefires and gilad shalit (another soldier) and the suicide bombings and the embezzlement of money earmarked for schools and use it to buy weapons and the use of human shields and the complete disregard for life and the fact that there is a clause in their charter about destroying israel (read the charter, its there) and the video footage of tunnel entrances in the basements of houses and the footage of weapons being stored in the basements of mosques the whole world has come out and condemned hamas over this latest issue i would like to know what goes through your mind when you say wou support hamas? is it a knee-jerk reaction to oppose every israeli move? as even cnn says, the money for these tunnels was supplied by ISRSEL, who wanted to give the palestinians money for schools, hospitals, power, etc hamas just builds these tunnels i beg of you, give me one use for these tuunels that doesnt involve terrorizing israel? what possible explanation do you have? im a reasonable man, ive said israel was wrong before, but in this case, i believe the conflict is AS simple as it has been in a while? but i digress i would love to hear your reasoning for supporting a terrorist group Personally I don't blame Israel for having better ways of protecting its citizens but for using a disproportionate amount of violence. Defending your citizens is one thing, killing civilians is another. And then I think pretty much each of your point could be used against both sides, broken cease fires? Israel broke more of them than Hamas as the graph posted proves. Complete disregard for life? Israel killed way more Palestinians than the other way around. I think the worst thing we can do regarding this issue is take a side and support it, this is exactly what is fueling this conflict. We should try to see the terrible things each side is doing and try to stop them instead of playing the blame game because as I said earlier this conflict has been going on for literally thousands of years so it's ridiculous to only go back a month and say "Hamas started it" just like it'd be ridiculous to only go back to 1948 and say "Israel started it". This really feels like 2 kids fighting because they want to play with the same toy... When faced with such a situation (I'm a teacher) I confiscate the toy and none of the kids get it until they can agree to play with each other. I kinda feel like this is what the international community should do, confiscate the land until each side can agree to live with the other one. |
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| posted: 2014-08-02 06:20:56 (ID: 100039399) Report Abuse | |
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stealyourface wrote:
but do you still not find it at least slightly absurd that hamas would launch this attack 90 minutes after a cease fire announcement? Remember my first with the bad link "what do you know?" What do i know ? The missing article says : "Each side accused the other of violating the 72-hour truce". Who knows what happened ? There's no doubt something was done. But who did it and when ? At that moment, no one. Anything else is just speculation. stealyourface wrote:
are you supporting hamas? or the palestinians? there is a difference between the two Yes i know there's a big difference. This time, maybe we can agree to not disagree... And it's necessary to know what we're talking about. On one side we have Israel with its israelis and its political parties and the IDF. On the other side, we have Palestine with its palestinians and political parties. Among these, there's one called Hamas, whose military wing is the Qassam Brigades. Do i support Hamas as a political party ? No. There's no reason i should support a political party i don't know. Do i support its military wing ? Neither. Do i support palestinians ? Of course ! Yes i do. There's no reason i shouldn't support them. I think we'll have to agree on the meaning of support... |
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| posted: 2014-08-02 09:18:58 (ID: 100039423) Report Abuse | |
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Meitheisman wrote:
I think the worst thing we can do regarding this issue is take a fighting side and support it, this is exactly what is fueling this conflict. That one, so true!  |
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posted: 2014-08-02 16:01:37 (ID: 100039450) Report Abuse |
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Drogon wrote:
stealyourface wrote:
but do you still not find it at least slightly absurd that hamas would launch this attack 90 minutes after a cease fire announcement? Remember my first with the bad link "what do you know?" What do i know ? The missing article says : "Each side accused the other of violating the 72-hour truce". Who knows what happened ? There's no doubt something was done. But who did it and when ? At that moment, no one. Anything else is just speculation. stealyourface wrote:
are you supporting hamas? or the palestinians? there is a difference between the two Yes i know there's a big difference. This time, maybe we can agree to not disagree... And it's necessary to know what we're talking about. On one side we have Israel with its israelis and its political parties and the IDF. On the other side, we have Palestine with its palestinians and political parties. Among these, there's one called Hamas, whose military wing is the Qassam Brigades. Do i support Hamas as a political party ? No. There's no reason i should support a political party i don't know. Do i support its military wing ? Neither. Do i support palestinians ? Of course ! Yes i do. There's no reason i shouldn't support them. I think we'll have to agree on the meaning of support... i can absolutely respect and understand your position i feel just as badly for the innocent palestinians as you do i dont want to see civilians get hurt either i hate the fact that its either israeli lives or palestinian lives |
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| posted: 2014-08-03 12:08:44 (ID: 100039521) Report Abuse | |
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NYTimes, AUG 1, 2014
"The Israeli military announced that two soldiers had been killed and a third captured by Palestinian militants" "The United States and United Nations and President Obama asserted that the soldier must be freed in order to salvage a halt." "Kerry Calls on Qatar and Turkey to Gain Release of Israeli Soldier" The Guardian, AUG. 3, 2014 "Soldier believed captured by Hamas was killed in action, says Israeli army." |
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posted: 2014-08-03 16:32:35 (ID: 100039526) Report Abuse |
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Drogon wrote:
NYTimes, AUG 1, 2014 "The Israeli military announced that two soldiers had been killed and a third captured by Palestinian militants" "The United States and United Nations and President Obama asserted that the soldier must be freed in order to salvage a halt." "Kerry Calls on Qatar and Turkey to Gain Release of Israeli Soldier" The Guardian, AUG. 3, 2014 "Soldier believed captured by Hamas was killed in action, says Israeli army." i know i know interestingly enough they found his body in a mosque, not where the battle occurred so either hamas captured him and killed him, or they saw his body and took it theres probably a third explanation im missing Last edited on 2014-08-03 18:28:45 by stealyourface |
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| posted: 2014-08-03 18:42:32 (ID: 100039536) Report Abuse | |
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stealyourface wrote:
Drogon wrote:
NYTimes, AUG 1, 2014 "The Israeli military announced that two soldiers had been killed and a third captured by Palestinian militants" "The United States and United Nations and President Obama asserted that the soldier must be freed in order to salvage a halt." "Kerry Calls on Qatar and Turkey to Gain Release of Israeli Soldier" The Guardian, AUG. 3, 2014 "Soldier believed captured by Hamas was killed in action, says Israeli army." i know i know interestingly enough they found his body in a mosque, not where the battle occurred so either hamas captured him and killed him, or they saw his body and took it theres probably a third explanation im missing What i find the most interesting is that truth needs time, alas. |
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