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Aquashift
posted: 2014-07-30 03:43:07 (ID: 100038929) Report Abuse
stealyourface wrote:
pete wrote:
Brickington wrote:
I'm probably going to catch some flak for this, but from what I'm seeing, Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire on Israel's terms, thus prolongning the conflict. It seems that the leaders of Palestine would rather continue to fight, and allow their people to feel the heavy hand of war, than do something about it.


I'm probably going to catch some flak for this, but from what I'm seeing, Israel won't agree to a ceasefire on Hamas' terms, thus prolongning the conflict. It seems that the leaders of Israel would rather continue to fight, and allow their people to feel the heavy hand of war, than do something about it.

See, this is the problem....each conflict is not because ONE is doing something to another...there are always at least two sides.

@All: However, please feel free to proceed, but be warned - on political topics riots in the forum start fast....this is why we "dislike" discussing such topics...

sorry for bringing it up


I refuse to take sides, never have in this conflict. I just hope and pray they find a permanent resolution.
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stealyourface
posted: 2014-07-30 06:23:37 (ID: 100038943) Report Abuse
having spent time in israel, i can see the culture of life there, with the mutual fear and hatred, a permanent solution will be nothing short of a miracle

i always hope for a permanent solution, the fighting benefits nobody, but, sadly, i dont see it happening
of course this is just my opinion
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posted: 2014-07-30 08:21:02 (ID: 100038958) Report Abuse
stealyourface wrote:
sorry for bringing it up


No sorry needed, it is all fine as long it stays clean - which is hard on such topics
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TombKing77
posted: 2014-07-30 08:25:15 (ID: 100038959) Report Abuse
A musical story, how this could end:




Sadly, this is in my opinion the most likely result.
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Brewnoe
posted: 2014-07-30 10:00:03 (ID: 100038966) Report Abuse
I don't have much hope for seeing a lasting peace there (or in the Middle East in general) in my lifetime.
But hopefully people will keep coming up with original ideas to try to make it happen ...

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stealyourface
posted: 2014-07-30 16:07:24 (ID: 100038998) Report Abuse
build it and they will come
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JonnyP
posted: 2014-07-30 17:06:52 (ID: 100039004) Report Abuse
pete wrote:

See, this is the problem....each conflict is not because ONE is doing something to another...there are always at least two sides.

@All: However, please feel free to proceed, but be warned - on political topics riots in the forum start fast....this is why we "dislike" discussing such topics...


Especially one such as this, where the conflict is not simple - but caused by a heated mix of racial, religious, social and political factors, and fuelled by belligerence and extremism on BOTH sides.

As with many arguments, there is not black and white here, just a very murky, depressing shade of grey.

And there is blood on the hands of those in western Europe too, as our countries were involved in the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.
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TombKing77
posted: 2014-07-30 17:12:51 (ID: 100039007) Report Abuse
JonnyP wrote:
pete wrote:

See, this is the problem....each conflict is not because ONE is doing something to another...there are always at least two sides.

@All: However, please feel free to proceed, but be warned - on political topics riots in the forum start fast....this is why we "dislike" discussing such topics...


Especially one such as this, where the conflict is not simple - but caused by a heated mix of racial, religious, social and political factors, and fuelled by belligerence and extremism on BOTH sides.

As with many arguments, there is not black and white here, just a very murky, depressing shade of grey.

And there is blood on the hands of those in western Europe too, as our countries were involved in the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.


To quote the palestinian terrorist leader in John le Carré's "The Little Drummer Girl": It was as if we didn't exist for those people."
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stealyourface
posted: 2014-07-30 18:01:17 (ID: 100039023) Report Abuse
JonnyP wrote:
pete wrote:

See, this is the problem....each conflict is not because ONE is doing something to another...there are always at least two sides.

@All: However, please feel free to proceed, but be warned - on political topics riots in the forum start fast....this is why we "dislike" discussing such topics...


Especially one such as this, where the conflict is not simple - but caused by a heated mix of racial, religious, social and political factors, and fuelled by belligerence and extremism on BOTH sides.

As with many arguments, there is not black and white here, just a very murky, depressing shade of grey.

And there is blood on the hands of those in western Europe too, as our countries were involved in the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.


as of this current conflict, i put a lot of the blood on the U.N. hands
i may catch some heat for this
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TombKing77
posted: 2014-07-30 18:06:34 (ID: 100039025) Report Abuse
stealyourface wrote:
JonnyP wrote:
pete wrote:

See, this is the problem....each conflict is not because ONE is doing something to another...there are always at least two sides.

@All: However, please feel free to proceed, but be warned - on political topics riots in the forum start fast....this is why we "dislike" discussing such topics...


Especially one such as this, where the conflict is not simple - but caused by a heated mix of racial, religious, social and political factors, and fuelled by belligerence and extremism on BOTH sides.

As with many arguments, there is not black and white here, just a very murky, depressing shade of grey.

And there is blood on the hands of those in western Europe too, as our countries were involved in the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.


as of this current conflict, i put a lot of the blood on the U.N. hands
i may catch some heat for this


Yes, it's a blame game.....

Like JonnyP said, everyone's to blame.

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