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posted: 2015-01-11 20:24:48 (ID: 100048694) Report Abuse
True.
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DonWilliam
posted: 2015-01-11 21:28:06 (ID: 100048695) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
Meitheisman wrote:
... hypocritical to fight for Charlie Hebdo's right to offend Muslims but to not allow a rapper to offend you.

(...)

So yeah, in conclusion freedom of expression should be fought for every day, not just when it suits you or when someone gets killed.


I completely agree.

Someone once said (i don't know who it was):"I absolutely hate what you are saying. But i am gonna fight for your right to say it." That should be the way in my opinion.
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posted: 2015-01-11 21:33:35 (ID: 100048697) Report Abuse
Evelyn Beatrice Hall

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

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posted: 2015-01-11 21:35:08 (ID: 100048698) Report Abuse
It's often wrongly attributed to Voltaire but apparently it was Evelyn Beatrice Hall who said it.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall
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posted: 2015-01-11 21:35:37 (ID: 100048699) Report Abuse
Haha, needa refresh more often, Pete
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posted: 2015-01-11 21:36:27 (ID: 100048700) Report Abuse
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Haha, needa refresh more often, Pete
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posted: 2015-01-11 21:36:54 (ID: 100048701) Report Abuse
DonWilliam wrote:
Someone once said (i don't know who it was):"I absolutely hate what you are saying. But i am gonna fight for your right to say it."


Evelyn Beatrice Hall about Voltaire in 1906 « I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it »
It's believed to have been Voltaire's but it is not actually.

" The Friends of Voltaire" by Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Last edited on 2015-01-11 21:42:02 by Drogon

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Aquashift
posted: 2015-01-14 04:07:52 (ID: 100048808) Report Abuse
The media is making this out to be a freedom of speech against terrorism when really I think this should be an issue about where to draw the line when someone wants the freedom to incite others and spew hatred.
This kind of shit wouldn't fly in the US. Any magazine or publication in the US that drew a picture of Jesus butt f#cking God the father, with the holy spirit in Jesus' butt would prolly get killed too. I live in Ireland and the US but lately have spent more time in America.
People here honor free speech but recognize you don't use it to yell 'fire' you don't use it to spread hate, and you don't use it to threaten the lives or health if others.

Last edited on 2015-01-14 04:08:34 by Aquashift

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posted: 2015-01-14 04:12:58 (ID: 100048809) Report Abuse
If someone wanted to start a magazine in the US that published pictures of black people saying yes a Masser and getting raped by white slave owners, with captions like "stupid nigger" I'm pretty sure we'd have a tragedy like we did in France. Just saying.
#f***charlie

Sorry, don't spread f-words...

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Last edited on 2015-01-14 18:10:38 by Admin

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DonWilliam
posted: 2015-01-14 07:15:30 (ID: 100048813) Report Abuse
Aquashift wrote:
Any magazine or publication in the US that drew a picture of Jesus butt f#cking God the father, with the holy spirit in Jesus' butt would prolly get killed too.


That only proves that the United States like they are today has a lot of fundamentalist people as well, with George W. Bush they even had a fundamentalist reborn christian as a president.
A picture, whatever it is showing, can NEVER be a justification to harm another person in any way, i am not even speaking of killing somebody here. If it excesses the right for freedom of speech, then there is the legal way to ban it and take actions against the person who published it.

By the way, in the 1960's or 70's in Germany there was a very famous verdict about a cartoon, it showed the german minister of the interior butt-fucking a pig. The highest german court ruled that it was satiric and within the rights for freedom of speech.

Aquashift wrote:
People here honor free speech but recognize you don't use it to yell 'fire' you don't use it to spread hate, and you don't use it to threaten the lives or health if others.


That is actually true, but i don't agree that the Charlie Hebdo pictures did that. Btw. they did covers and stories about Jesus and God as well. A satiric view on religion should not be forbidden in my opinion.

Last edited on 2015-01-14 07:16:10 by DonWilliam

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