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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-08 23:44:32 (ID: 100085494) Report Abuse |
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Gambler75 wrote:
Especially since the terminology used in all the other runs as well, refer to the offense, not the defense. ie. run over C, run over LG, run over RT, etc. that makes sense, thx! |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-21 11:49:21 (ID: 100086429) Report Abuse |
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I'm still wondering how Teamwork really works ingame and how big its impact on the OL-performance might be. does the collective TW of the line just get summed up? or does it matter where the TW is positioned - for example does it only come into effect for the G next to OT on a run over the end? and do players need high TW to receive help too, not just to support their colleagues? and is there something like a block roll - i.e. that when a C can deal with the NT on his own, the Gs are free to support the OTs? any ideas
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2016-09-21 12:45:18 (ID: 100086431) Report Abuse |
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"does the collective TW of the line just get summed up? or does it matter where the TW is positioned - for example does it only come into effect for the G next to OT on a run over the end?"
I'm pretty sure Pete said that TW makes linemen help the 2 guys next to them only so I don't think it's a collective TW calculation. I think it depends on how many DL your OL is facing. If you face 5DL each OL blocks the guy in front of him. If you face 4DL each of the OT and OG will face a DT/DE. The Center's TW will determine how much he helps the OG next to him. If you face 3DL then each OG's TW will determine how much they help the OT or C next to them. That's all I know and I'm not even 100% sure of it  |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-21 13:07:24 (ID: 100086432) Report Abuse |
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Meitheisman wrote:
I'm pretty sure Pete said that TW makes linemen help the 2 guys next to them only so I don't think it's a collective TW calculation. thx, that covers some of my questions! so high TW guys might have more value on the interior of O and D lines, while the outside guys primarily need to be able to hold their own. imo the rest of your post is spot on, and thats what makes the setup of the interior OL so interesting - do you put your 3rd best OL at C or G, when your opponent mixes his D fronts a lot, how to balance TW and maybe a trait (stonewall seems to be a doozy on the interior, but where is it more valuable, C or G)...? so much to tinker with  Last edited on 2016-09-21 13:11:44 by Buddy Ryan |
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Stanford87
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posted: 2016-09-21 13:21:44 (ID: 100086433) Report Abuse |
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It would be nice to know whether the OL player who supports another player is also receiving support.
i.e.: If an OT gets supported by the OG, does this OG also receive help from the OC on the same play? Because otherwise the OC would be completely useless as long as you don't use rush mid. |
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Buddy Ryan wrote:
so high TW guys might have more value on the interior of O and D lines, while the outside guys primarily need to be able to hold their own. I don't know this "Pete", and I have no idea about how it works, but I guess the calculation could be something like Tw of OT OG OC OG OT 5 5 5 5 5 Effective Tw OT OG OC OG OT 7.5 10 10 10 7.5 The left OT has 5 from his own TW, and the half from his right side. The left Guard has 5 on his own, 2.5 from the Tackle, and 2.5 from the Center. If this would be right - and remember, I have no idea... - it could be very well that even on OTs high TW makes a little sense. On the other side...I heard no single comment in real life games where the comment was like "Uh, watch this block, must be high teamwork skill..." |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-21 13:27:33 (ID: 100086435) Report Abuse |
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Stanford87 wrote:
It would be nice to know whether the OL player who supports another player is also receiving support. i.e.: If an OT gets supported by the OG, does this OG also receive help from the OC on the same play? Because otherwise the OC would be completely useless as long as you don't use rush mid. but vs. 4 DL the C support for the Gs might help vs. the DTs, so that they dont beat the block and go on supporting the DEs vs. the OTs? |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-21 13:34:24 (ID: 100086436) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Buddy Ryan wrote:
so high TW guys might have more value on the interior of O and D lines, while the outside guys primarily need to be able to hold their own. I don't know this "Pete", and I have no idea about how it works, but I guess the calculation could be something like Tw of OT OG OC OG OT 5 5 5 5 5 Effective Tw OT OG OC OG OT 7.5 10 10 10 7.5 The left OT has 5 from his own TW, and the half from his right side. The left Guard has 5 on his own, 2.5 from the Tackle, and 2.5 from the Center. If this would be right - and remember, I have no idea... - it could be very well that even on OTs high TW makes a little sense. On the other side...I heard no single comment in real life games where the comment was like "Uh, watch this block, must be high teamwork skill..." wow, thx for the answer, I wont tell Pete!  I did not want to imply that TW makes no sense on OT, but my idea of how this works was very wrong  |
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Stanford87
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posted: 2016-09-21 13:44:06 (ID: 100086437) Report Abuse |
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Buddy Ryan wrote:
Stanford87 wrote:
It would be nice to know whether the OL player who supports another player is also receiving support. i.e.: If an OT gets supported by the OG, does this OG also receive help from the OC on the same play? Because otherwise the OC would be completely useless as long as you don't use rush mid. but vs. 4 DL the C support for the Gs might help vs. the DTs, so that they dont beat the block and go on supporting the DEs vs. the OTs? Are you sure that the TW skill comes only into play for DL if they beat their opponent in the OL? I have no information about that, but I think it's also possible that it becomes active once the play starts, so that every DL player is already boosted before the block calculation starts. |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-21 13:46:07 (ID: 100086438) Report Abuse |
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Stanford87 wrote:
Are you sure that the TW skill comes only into play for DL if they beat their opponent in the OL? I have no information about that, but I think it's also possible that it becomes active once the play starts, so that every DL player is already boosted before the block calculation starts. no, not sure at all, thats just a guess and I'm very likely wrong but what I meant was just that the C could very well have an impact on the OL performance even if its an outside runLast edited on 2016-09-21 13:50:15 by Buddy Ryan |
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