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| posted: 2011-11-18 06:56:39 (ID: 16927) Report Abuse | |
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dark_wing wrote:
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What happens: stage 1 snap and line block calculation stage 2 handover to RB stage 3 reaction by the DL in stage 3, as long as the DL don't get blocked by the OL, they help each other, you could call that "combined tackles". So, if the DE did not get blocked, he can help the other DLers, if some physicals are good enough. You should not see such things every play, but it could happen from time to time. All ok, globaly! But in this situation DE/R have not a free way to reache HB at the line of scrimmage. It needs fixing. But with very low priority. This situation visited from the reality point of view, it doesn't need fixing! Why do you believe the DE/R did not have a free way to the RB? There is nothing said about the blocking scheme of the offense. Zone-Blocking? Scoop-Blocking? Taken an easy block? Pulling Guard? Cross-Blocks? Was that DE included? Why not ignore him, since he wouldn't have a chance to make the tackle? Who knows? You even don't know how far right from the snap the tackle happened. Remember Wa l t e r Payton? It happend he was trapped on the edge of the field, surrounded by defenders, inkluding players from the opposing side. Then he turned and made big plays on the other side. What I want to say with this example is, it can happen that the RB runs but does not gain yards. Well ... Wa l t e r would have decked that DE of your, but that's a different story.  |
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posted: 2011-11-18 07:58:12 (ID: 16930) Report Abuse |
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So, again.
1:35 1 and goal to go on opp 1, Danylo Zagrava (OC) snaps the ball to Orest Moysyk (QB), who hands off to Yuriy Vizniak (HB/C), this seems to be a run over the right tackle, Cristopher Olivo (DE/R) brings Yuriy Vizniak (HB/C) down, nice tackle, forward progress: no gain (Big I formation vs. 4-3-4) HB running from center into the hole between OT/R and TE/R. DE/R for tackling this HB at the line of scrimmage needs 1. To move some backwards. 2. Turn a left. 3. Move behinde DT/R and DT/L 4. Turn a right. 5. Move forward to the line of scrimmage. 6. Make the tackle Hi can not move thru the line of scrimmage. Is to long way to reache HB at the line of scrimmage. If HB tackled after few yards progress, it will be: DE/R 1. Move some backwards. 2. Turn a left. 3. Move behinde DT/R and DT/L 4. Make the tackle All OK. |
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posted: 2011-11-18 08:23:19 (ID: 16931) Report Abuse |
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why would it be too far? think about it, the hb lines up about 6 yards behind the los, while if the de sees the play developing he uses speed to get up to the los and make a tackle right at the line, happens in real life all the time, especially on the goal line
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| posted: 2011-11-18 08:25:53 (ID: 16932) Report Abuse | |
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dark_wing wrote:
So, again. 1:35 1 and goal to go on opp 1, Danylo Zagrava (OC) snaps the ball to Orest Moysyk (QB), who hands off to Yuriy Vizniak (HB/C), this seems to be a run over the right tackle, Cristopher Olivo (DE/R) brings Yuriy Vizniak (HB/C) down, nice tackle, forward progress: no gain (Big I formation vs. 4-3-4) HB running from center into the hole between OT/R and TE/R. DE/R for tackling this HB at the line of scrimmage needs 1. To move some backwards. 2. Turn a left. 3. Move behinde DT/R and DT/L 4. Turn a right. 5. Move forward to the line of scrimmage. 6. Make the tackle I don't want to be picky, but are you familiar with blocking schemes? Run-Blocks are normally forward, so in fact it can happen that the complete O-Line has left the line of scrimmage a few yards forward. That's the problem with throwing out of designed run-plays. -> penalty often illigal receiver down field. So - NO he don't have to move backwards. In fact it can happen he can run untouched into the backfield or parallel the LOS, because the tackle goes for the LB, the guard is pulling to the right to destroy the left end, the center battles one of the DTs, the other guard maybe the other DT or a LB, the other Tackle a LB, the TE maybe the SS or an OLB. And this is a very simple blocking schema. if now the hole is not opened, the DE as a very good chance to get that ball carrier from behind! dark_wing wrote:
Hi can not move thru the line of scrimmage. Is to long way to reache HB at the line of scrimmage. If HB tackled after few yards progress, it will be: DE/R 1. Move some backwards. 2. Turn a left. 3. Move behinde DT/R and DT/L 4. Make the tackle All OK. I'm not saying it happens often, but it happens! |
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posted: 2011-11-18 09:21:40 (ID: 16934) Report Abuse |
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jack6 wrote:
I don't want to be picky, but are you familiar with blocking schemes? Of course. jack6 wrote:
if now the hole is not opened, the DE as a very good chance to get that ball carrier from behind! I am forget this case.  |
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