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Viking
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posted: 2012-12-12 12:05:59 (ID: 72000) Report Abuse |
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Hi Nogard,
when I am speaking about gap, I mean gap in players quality - it is logic, that team, which is here from start of the game has better and more skill players then new team and he deserve it. But if the condition are set as are not, new team will need 10-11 seasons (two and half real years) to level with those teams, so I guess most of new managers will leave just few stay ... Concerning salaries - I do not think, they are balance compare to income ... with full upgrade stadium, after paying all maintenance and so on fee, you will have approx. 4,5M left each week for coaches and players salary .... with cap on coach CP, normal set of couches will cost you cca. 2M - 2,5 max, so you still have 2M for players wages - if you put it in excel sheet, take in account HR department, which allow you to fix salaries for 3 (5) years, you will find out that this is not really limitation here ... So both - old and new teams - will developed there players in more less same speed, and as the old team has 4-5 seasons ahead, new team has no chance to reach them before they reach average player livetime, which is cca. 11 seasons |
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Nogard
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posted: 2012-12-12 12:55:23 (ID: 72003) Report Abuse |
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Please make the math for a roster with players of skill 40, 45 and 50. You will see it is balanced.
So you mean for the gap the development of players during training. For this intention you don´t need change on the coaches CP cap. Your first priority is in this case the training. Use your existing CPs for that. You can hire 5 100 assistant coaches. if you hire the right ones you could nearly cover every skill you have to train. You don´t need a coach on every position on 100 for that. And I can tell you this is already very expensive yet. You say you have 4,5M left each week. A coaching staff with 100 CP point ACs will have a weekly wage of 3,5-4M. Look at the Top 100 Coaching salaries. The highest salaries are 3,5M at the moment and nobody of them has only 100 CP coaches. So there are 1M left each week for player salaries. That is on a roster of 70 an avg of $14285. That means the best skills of all players is under 30. For a roster of only 55 players it is $18182 This is a best skill avg of a liitle bit over 30. Let us now see what your change will bring to us. If the caps CP of the ACs are open end You could have in theory 11 AC with 100 CP. But this means you have coaches wages of something like 7-8M maybe more. Like you wrote a team with full stadium could only spend 4,5M for saaries a week. So with the open end of AC CP you maybe could have 8 100 CP coaches. A new team has built his stadium and spend his money to it. So you have no money in the bank. Hire a full coaching staff of 100 CP is impossible for them. Maybe it is only possible for teams who will reach the playoffs and stay in there for some rounds. But in SC and CofC + league 1 this would be the older teams because of their team development. So the gap between new and old team could be bigger not really closer. Viking wrote:
with cap on coach CP, normal set of couches will cost you cca. 2M - 2,5 max, so you still have 2M for players wages but this set of coaches isn´t the set of having the best coaches. The best coaches are the Coaches with 100 CP (regardless of exp and con). Last edited on 2012-12-12 12:56:59 by Nogard |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-12-12 13:18:39 (ID: 72004) Report Abuse |
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This is my 3rd season and I have players approaching skills in the 30s. I balance my players out too so haven't been spamming one skill. So I think it is very possible to reach the top in 5/6 seasons for a well run club.
There are plenty of good young players on the TM - I got an 18yo with good physicals, intel, teamwork and 20 catching for 2mil. I've also got guys like Gombos for 16k who will have 47spd and ~20 catching end of this year. I haven't been very active on the TM but you can easily pick up good youngsters with solid tw/int and physicals for <500k eg. Devdutta Sigurlaugsson: 400k, 42.4 str(red cap), 40.9 spd (yellow cap), 38.6 int, 39 tw. In your first year with all the supercup games you can easily finish your stadium, get your coaches, YA, and a core of 25-30 young guys like the players I mentioned. In 5seasons Sigurlaugsson will get ~60skill points with a good coach that means he could look something like: spd: 41 (assuming it caps there) str: 42.4 int: 38.6 tw: 39 tck: ~30 pos:~30 vis: ~30 (I'm training him to be a SS) Multiply that by 25 guys, plus draftees (you draft and buy) and YA (can get 2 draft level players a year if done properly imo) and you'll have a very competitive team of ~50 players. If you sign up just before a draft you can sell an draftee and speed it up by one season. I know your suggestion is trying to close the gap but imo it's fine. Obvioulsy only time will tell but taking 5-6 seasons to get from div 3.1 to 1.1 is the way it should be I think. edit: know my post is slighty ot. Just wanted to illustrate that we don't need to change the salary structure/ACs to help bridge the gap between newer and older teams. Last edited on 2012-12-12 13:22:40 by holmeboy |
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Viking
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posted: 2012-12-12 13:24:38 (ID: 72005) Report Abuse |
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Nogard wrote:
Please make the math for a roster with players of skill 40, 45 and 50. You will see it is balanced. I do not agree here as most serious managers used HR, which can change maths a lot. If you look in top 100 salaries and you will forget unreasonable handled teams, you will see, that team salaries are low compare too income ... for example Sinna Ladd Tromsø with total rating over 60 has salary just 1M ... Nogard wrote:
Let us now see what your change will bring to us. If the caps CP of the ACs are open end You could have in theory 11 AC with 100 CP. But this means you have coaches wages of something like 7-8M maybe more. Like you wrote a team with full stadium could only spend 4,5M for saaries a week. So with the open end of AC CP you maybe could have 8 100 CP coaches. Then is question why we need other cap than economic one ... only reason I can see here is protect older teams with higher salaries to be catched by new ones with lower salaries ... Nogard wrote:
A new team has built his stadium and spend his money to it. So you have no money in the bank. We are not speaking here about just starting new teams without full stadium, but about new team with that stadium .... |
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Viking
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posted: 2012-12-12 13:35:02 (ID: 72006) Report Abuse |
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Just two note:
holmeboy wrote:
In 5seasons Sigurlaugsson will get ~60skill points with a good coach that means he could look something like: spd: 41 (assuming it caps there) str: 42.4 int: 38.6 tw: 39 tck: ~30 pos:~30 vis: ~30 Can you tell me how will look average players in top team in 4-5 season horizont, if they have such players now? holmeboy wrote:
YA (can get 2 draft level players a year if done properly imo) with HC 99CP and eight ACs you can distribute cca 4000 point in YA per season, it is 40 skill points - with this amount you will be lucky to get one draft quality player per season .... |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-12-12 13:49:08 (ID: 72010) Report Abuse |
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Viking wrote:
Just two note: holmeboy wrote:
In 5seasons Sigurlaugsson will get ~60skill points with a good coach that means he could look something like: spd: 41 (assuming it caps there) str: 42.4 int: 38.6 tw: 39 tck: ~30 pos:~30 vis: ~30 Can you tell me how will look average players in top team in 4-5 season horizont, if they have such players now? Because of the economic cap they can't get much better imo probably guys with ~40, but you'll be able to reach 1.1 and have an excellent squad of players younger than 25/26. Viking wrote:
holmeboy wrote:
YA (can get 2 draft level players a year if done properly imo) with HC 99CP and eight ACs you can distribute cca 4000 point in YA per season, it is 40 skill points - with this amount you will be lucky to get one draft quality player per season .... 3 years of training with no ya points in brackets some of my 17yos: Leon MacNamara OL: Str: 43 (capped), intel ~25, tw ~45 Blck: ~7.5 (20) Foot: ~7.5 (20) Pos: ~7.5 (20) Gavin Hayes OL as above but: blck: ~14 (25) foot:~10 (22) pos:~10 (22) Jordan McDonnell WR: Spd: 39.8 (no cap), intel ~40, tw ~40 ctch: ~6 (18) pos: ~6 (18) agl: ~8 (20) Daragh O'Keeffe WR: Spd: 35.5 (no cap), intel ~40, tw ~40 ctch: ~6 (18) pos: ~8 (20) agl: ~9 (21) Thats just 4. Add the YA points as you wish (I get about 30skill points/season). Will also get a few points for this season as well. Last edited on 2012-12-12 13:55:42 by holmeboy |
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Nogard
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posted: 2012-12-12 13:51:29 (ID: 72012) Report Abuse |
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Yes but if you had the full stadium you still have no money in the bank because you have spend it in the stadium. Only if you have sold a draftee you could have money in the bank when stadium is finished.
But older teams will have more money which they van spend in this coaches and so they could have a few negative economic seasons if they want. In this time the gap will gain bigger. You couldn´t look at only one single part and speak about the balancing. They have a salary of 1M but that says nothing about the quality and skills of the players. You wrote it yourselves. The rating is 60% not 100% it is 60% and the salaries will raise exponential. And look from where these 60% are coming. He plays without substitutions. Only some ingame injury substitutions have an effect. So you can say this rating comes from 24 players (11 offense, 11 defense and 2 ST). his roster has 64 players. What will happen if you have only the economic cap on coaches in long term? Every team will have the same coaching staff no differences. Because the best is then to have as most as possible with the highest CP. Without the playoffs and without transfers the economic of all teams will be the same. In your answer to holmeboy you only look in the short term. The YA players develop by normal training too + extrapoints and if you will pick 16yo YAs they could be trained 5 seasons until they join into your senior team. 5 seasons without extrapoints. |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-12-12 13:52:30 (ID: 72013) Report Abuse |
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Also this is a quick point, sorry again for being off topic, but I think injuries will help the younger players. Its much easier to catch up building a squad as I mentioned. But if you have to catch up on a core of 25 guys with skills ~45 it will take 10 seasons.
Edit: Should we move this convo? Last edited on 2012-12-12 13:53:34 by holmeboy |
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Viking
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posted: 2012-12-12 14:07:33 (ID: 72014) Report Abuse |
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holmeboy wrote:
some of my 17yos: Leon MacNamara OL: Str: 43 (capped), intel ~25, tw ~45 Blck: ~7.5 (20) Foot: ~7.5 (20) Pos: ~7.5 (20) Gavin Hayes OL as above but: blck: ~14 (25) foot:~10 (22) pos:~10 (22) Jordan McDonnell WR: Spd: 39.8 (no cap), intel ~40, tw ~40 ctch: ~6 (18) pos: ~6 (18) agl: ~8 (20) Daragh O'Keeffe WR: Spd: 35.5 (no cap), intel ~40, tw ~40 ctch: ~6 (18) pos: ~8 (20) agl: ~9 (21) Nice ones, but most of them will need those whole 30 points (maybe except this second OL, he need little less) to be draft quality ... so you will get one draft quality and three good players, but not draft quality .... |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-12-12 14:14:05 (ID: 72015) Report Abuse |
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Viking wrote:
Nice ones, but most of them will need those whole 30 points (maybe except this second OL, he need little less) to be draft quality ... so you will get one draft quality and three good players, but not draft quality .... I rate draft quality as having mid 20's in the main skills and good intel/tw/physicals. Considering most of those 4 players will have ~20 in their 3 main skills and good intel/tw/physicals then dividing the 30points among two of them will result in two guys with skills ~25 and two guys with skills ~20. imo that is two draft quality players and two good players. But a lot of draftees are 22/23 so you could even add another year of training to that. Of course ppl have different opinions but this is the way I look at it |
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