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posted: 2013-02-02 12:26:21 (ID: 80277) Report Abuse
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dark_wing
posted: 2013-02-02 12:30:58 (ID: 80281) Report Abuse
Why ratings are important.

I am sure, many people here was playing in sport sims.
In the lot of sport sims we can see many skills of player and Overal position rating! This overal have to help you to choose the best players for positions.
The changing of overal after training have to help you to choose rigth way in training process.
And in lot of sport sims are present team rating by lines and overal team rating. It need to help you make right devrlopmant of the team.
e.t.c.
In RZA we are have players rating like analog of overal of players.
But it incorrect.
And team rating by the lines and overal team rating.
But it incorrect and based on incorrect player rating.

And this is the problem!
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Nogard
posted: 2013-02-02 12:57:56 (ID: 80288) Report Abuse
dark_wing wrote:

In RZA we are have players rating like analog of overal of players.
But it incorrect.
And team rating by the lines and overal team rating.
But it incorrect and based on incorrect player rating.

And this is the problem!


I think you only think in the wrong way.

When I start the game somewhere in the forum the ratings were discussed too. And the question is which players are involved in several ratings.

I don´t know if this is true and this is only an example but I think it works like this way:

rush defense: the involved players are DL LB SF(maybe only the SS)
pass defense: LB, CB and SF (maybe the DE too)

now it depends on your formations too. If you use more 3-3-5 or 3-4-4 the influence of LB and SF is bigger than the influence of LB in dime or the influence of SF in 5-3-3 and 4-4-3. In GL D the SF have no impact cause there is no one on the field.

But in overall every player count only once and so the influence of every player is the same.

Substitutions influence ratings too.

So if you have very strong LB and SF but weak DL and CB and play 3-4-4 vs run and 3-3-5 vs pass the influence of the strong guys is bigger in the group ratings

pass def: 3x LB + 2x CB + 3x SF influence of LB+SF= 3/4
rush def: 3x DL + 4x LB + 2x SF influence of LB+SF= 2/3
but overall 3x DL + 4x LB + 3x SF + 2x CB + QB + RB + 5xOL + TE + 2 WR + FB influence of LB+SF= 7/23.

this is a very simple calculation and i doublt it is the complete correct calculation but this are reasons for the different ratings. And they are logical for me.

So you couldn´t say the ratings are incorrect. it is only a different way of calculation and logical base.
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Sisko
posted: 2013-02-02 13:20:59 (ID: 80293) Report Abuse
dark_wing wrote:
You a right raiting system here is incorrect.
But manugers do not have another numbers for team developmant.
And this is the problem.


Do you really work along those numbers? I mean like: Oh, my training is correct, cause my Pass Offense Rating was increased 0.1 points...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I only look at those numbers to roughly judge how strong my next opponent will be. I don't think it's a valueable help when developing your team - no matter how exact the formula behind those numbers is!
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hosh13
posted: 2013-02-02 14:25:40 (ID: 80312) Report Abuse
I know pete's had a tough few days but I think he was a little over defensive here.

Darkwing simply reported an obvious anomaly contrary to common sense.

Grab a few cartons of Guinness and take a holiday pete! You're well overdue.
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dark_wing
posted: 2013-02-02 14:27:18 (ID: 80313) Report Abuse
Sisko wrote:
dark_wing wrote:
You a right raiting system here is incorrect.
But manugers do not have another numbers for team developmant.
And this is the problem.


Do you really work along those numbers? I mean like: Oh, my training is correct, cause my Pass Offense Rating was increased 0.1 points...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I only look at those numbers to roughly judge how strong my next opponent will be. I don't think it's a valueable help when developing your team - no matter how exact the formula behind those numbers is!


I try to use this at the 1-st season.
But do not do it from the middle of the 1-st season. Than I understand usefull-less of the ratings.
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