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MTS1972
posted: 2013-11-08 18:59:28 (ID: 100012897) Report Abuse
feel free....! what would be your ideas to reform (true!) football.

But say once 'no draws or ties' and the phone goes down!!!!!
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Bovakian
posted: 2013-11-08 19:14:24 (ID: 100012899) Report Abuse
MTS1972 wrote:
feel free....! what would be your ideas to reform (true!) football.

But say once 'no draws or ties' and the phone goes down!!!!!


and stopping every few minutes to run ads for TV is a no go as well!!!
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bwadders76
posted: 2013-11-08 19:17:16 (ID: 100012900) Report Abuse
MTS1972 wrote:
Swordpriest1 wrote:

One thing I've said forever. I dont give a damn about field goals... No team should win by kicking more field goals if the other team scored more touchdowns. I say put a limit on how many FG attempts a team gets a game. I say you get 3 attempts.... so we can stop seeing all these powder 50yd FG attempts and having teams give thought to 4th down.



Thats radical....and very interesting.


If I remember correctly they had a similar problem in Rugby League so they reduced the points available for drop goals to just two points.
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Swordpriest1
posted: 2013-11-08 20:31:35 (ID: 100012901) Report Abuse
moderate reform

1.) No more red cards. If a player gets what is consider a Red Card today.. what happens is that player is booted from the game and replaced with whomever. That player is also suspended one other game.

2.) the player who is fouled is the one who must take the free kick.. no matter where it is on the field.

3.) penalty kicks are one v one attempts at goal with the offensive player starting at the top of the box and the keeper at the line. Once the whistle blows anything goes.

4.) Offsides can only be called if the player is COMPLETELY passed the last defensive player. Not partially... completely.

5.) Goals scored from which the ball was last touched outside the box are worth 2pts


radial reform (Take a deep breathe everyone)

1.) Eliminate the goalkeeper position. 11 v 11 all outfield

2.) No offsides.

3.) All fouls are treated as free kicks with the rules of free kick standing no matter where the position of the ball.

4.) Goals scored within 20ft are worth 1pt. 30ft 2pts. 40ft+ 3pts.

5.) No Red cards (same as above)


and yes I am a fan of Aussie Rules Football..
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MTS1972
posted: 2013-11-08 20:39:02 (ID: 100012902) Report Abuse
erm.....well...errrrrr.....ok.

What is your logic behind :

No Red Cards

No goalkeepers

Free Kicks anywhere on the pitch


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Swordpriest1
posted: 2013-11-08 21:31:43 (ID: 100012907) Report Abuse
MTS1972 wrote:
erm.....well...errrrrr.....ok.

What is your logic behind :

No Red Cards

No goalkeepers

Free Kicks anywhere on the pitch




No Red Cards - What other sport takes positions off the field permanently? WAY too many games get spoiled by bad refs decisions giving out Red Cards and too many players "dive" in order to see a player get sent off. Its horrible for viewship as Im sure many people turn the game off immediately once it happens. Theres no real logic FOR the current red card penalty. And dont even get me started on how it destroys the World Cup...

No Goalkeepers - Theres no need for them in all honesty. They dont affect the game nearly enough to warrent them even being on the pitch. A great keeper may make a save or two a game.. a bad judgement here or there.. but I'd rather see 11 on 11 outfield play. Hockey is different because the amount of work a goalie must do is more pivotal because of the confines of the ice.

Free kicks anywhere- What I mean is whoever gets foul has to be the first person to kick the ball in player.. whatever that means. None of this having 3 guys talking around the ball deciding who kicks... its a silly played out gimmick that I'm positive smart defensive teams are no longer bothered by.
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Swordpriest1
posted: 2013-11-08 21:38:39 (ID: 100012908) Report Abuse
damn I'm no through either.... Can't believe I forgot about this (and I've gotten into hard debates with UKers on this one)

For Premiere league

1.) the top 6 teams quality for an end of the season Championship Tournament.

- The teams that finish 1 - 2 automatically get bye games the first week and therefore quality for Champions league

- Teams 3-6 play in a single elimination game with the 3rd and 4th teams hosting the 6th and 5th team. (losers go to Europa)

- The winners play away to the 1st and 2nd place teams (these four teams go to Champions league)

- the winner of this game is crowned Premiere League champion


Now I know you guys hate Tournaments... but my god they are fun as hell. this way you no longer get that stale finale where basically all the spots are claimed with 3-4 weeks left in the season.

We can do something similar with the Relegation as well... maybe the bottom 6 teams going at it tournament style
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MTS1972
posted: 2013-11-08 22:15:44 (ID: 100012912) Report Abuse
Swordpriest1 wrote:
MTS1972 wrote:
erm.....well...errrrrr.....ok.

What is your logic behind :

No Red Cards

No goalkeepers

Free Kicks anywhere on the pitch




No Red Cards - What other sport takes positions off the field permanently? WAY too many games get spoiled by bad refs decisions giving out Red Cards and too many players "dive" in order to see a player get sent off. Its horrible for viewship as Im sure many people turn the game off immediately once it happens. Theres no real logic FOR the current red card penalty. And dont even get me started on how it destroys the World Cup...

No Goalkeepers - Theres no need for them in all honesty. They dont affect the game nearly enough to warrent them even being on the pitch. A great keeper may make a save or two a game.. a bad judgement here or there.. but I'd rather see 11 on 11 outfield play. Hockey is different because the amount of work a goalie must do is more pivotal because of the confines of the ice.

Free kicks anywhere- What I mean is whoever gets foul has to be the first person to kick the ball in player.. whatever that means. None of this having 3 guys talking around the ball deciding who kicks... its a silly played out gimmick that I'm positive smart defensive teams are no longer bothered by.


oh ok....ill bite.....

I am pretty sure that sending offs - or ejections - can happen in all sports - certainly by nature of the rules of the sport, if it doesnt happen (that often) in practice. But if you basically make it a free for all, how do you penalise players who commit deliberate fouls? Consistently? How do you penalise deliberate handball? Whilst i agree a game can be spoiled by a sending off - there are also many cases where a player deserves nothing else than to be sent off and both he and his team are penalised for the transgressions. Referees in all sports are only human and make bad calls or decisions - but thats part and parcel of the game.

Goalkeepers. So you take away the keeper and a team will simply place a defender on the goal line. Teams will just be lumping the ball forward with as much height and might as possible. Keepers are a specialist position and an integral part of the team. Many a game has been won by keepers - and all dominant club teams have a great keeper. Schmeichel for Man United was often attributed for gaining 12/15 points over a season for his team such was his talent. They are the last bastion of defence between the opposition and a goal and as important as any other player in the 11.

If a defense is no longer bothered by the 'gimmick' why take it away? After all, the team taking the free kick has been offended - so they should look to use it as an advantage. If that means multi step overs, or a flick up, or whatever, so what - until the ball is touched it is not in play - and as soon as it is, the defense can do what they can to nullify the danger.

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JonnyP
posted: 2013-11-08 22:21:14 (ID: 100012913) Report Abuse
MTS1972 wrote:
feel free....! what would be your ideas to reform (true!) football.


Ban it.

And send everyone who has ever bought a replica shirt to Siberia.

The world would be a better place.
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MTS1972
posted: 2013-11-08 22:27:22 (ID: 100012915) Report Abuse
Swordpriest1 wrote:
damn I'm no through either.... Can't believe I forgot about this (and I've gotten into hard debates with UKers on this one)

For Premiere league

1.) the top 6 teams quality for an end of the season Championship Tournament.

- The teams that finish 1 - 2 automatically get bye games the first week and therefore quality for Champions league

- Teams 3-6 play in a single elimination game with the 3rd and 4th teams hosting the 6th and 5th team. (losers go to Europa)

- The winners play away to the 1st and 2nd place teams (these four teams go to Champions league)

- the winner of this game is crowned Premiere League champion


Now I know you guys hate Tournaments... but my god they are fun as hell. this way you no longer get that stale finale where basically all the spots are claimed with 3-4 weeks left in the season.

We can do something similar with the Relegation as well... maybe the bottom 6 teams going at it tournament style


They do this in the UK Rugby League competition - have a full league structure, then have a playoff with the playoff winner being deemed the true Champions.

We also have playoffs in the second tier of soccer - the Championship - where teams 1 and 2 get auto promoted to the Premiership, whilst teams 3-6 play off for the final promotion spot.

To me, if you are playing each team twice over the season, home and away, and you score more points over those 38 games than any other team, you are the Champions.

Why does it then need a series of one off games, where anything can happen, to re-determine that?

How can a team that finishes 6th, and what is usually about 25/30 points behind the league winners after 38 games, then get hot or lucky for what is three games max, and then profess to be the best team in the land and called League Champs?

Its a total contradiction of terms. Much like any team NOT the Champions of their domestic country featuring in a tournament called the Champions league. We had it right in the 80s, where all the country champions played in a tournament called the European Champions Cup, all the countries 'next best' 2nd to 4th or 5th played in the UEFA Cup - a secondary event - and all the Cup Winners played in the Cup Winners Cup. Horses for courses.

Americans are all too fixated with seedings and playoffs - which is all to do with elongating seasons and money. The NFL i can get the concept - as not all teams play one another and there would be too many games in a season for a true whole league concept. But they do it in the NBA, NHL and Baseball.....80 odd regular season games...the series of 7 playoffs!

In football we have true cup knockout competitions which gives teams the chance to beat any other team 'on the day'. But a League is just that. Prevail at the end and you are the Champs. Absolutely no need to then play teams youve already done better than to emphasize it!
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