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| posted: 2013-12-22 22:59:19 (ID: 100017382) Report Abuse | |
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pete wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
Maybe Berlin can host the games again.... :-) Please no... Better than a repeat of Munich.... ...and pretty soon only Germany and China will have any money left. :-) Steve SD Blitz Last edited on 2013-12-22 23:00:05 by Solana_Steve |
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| posted: 2013-12-22 23:27:08 (ID: 100017385) Report Abuse | |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
pete wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
Maybe Berlin can host the games again.... :-) Please no... Better than a repeat of Munich.... ...and pretty soon only Germany and China will have any money left. :-) Steve SD Blitz No worries, The US will print new one, making Chinas shares useless...  |
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posted: 2013-12-23 10:15:06 (ID: 100017418) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
Meitheisman wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
plusmali wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
The one problem with football in the Olympics, is that the games last for 2+ weeks (usually 16-17 days). It would be really tough for most football teams to play more than a few games in that period of time....its just not a sport you can play on a daily basis. Additionally, the number of career ending injuries is a lot higher in football than other sports. I wonder how motivated professional teams would be allow their stars to play in the Olympics. Soccer clubs already complain about their stars doing international duty....and the injury rate/risk is a lot lower. Why isn't rugby in the Olympics - - there are certainly more countries where rugby it popular than football. Steve SD Blitz Rugby will be in the next Olympics. 7 against 7. It is quite a show. They made a big sink over here about excluding wrestling and baseball. Steve SD Blitz What I don't get is why they don't make the Olympics much bigger. Instead of excluding sports keep them all and add rugby 7, rugby 15, football... They could even add an extra week to the Olympics. It'd mean more sponsors, more medals, more people watching on TV, more athletes... So more fans happy and more money for the organizing city and the Olympic committee. Seems like a win-win to me.  I think it's already incredible expensive for the host nation of the Olympics and if you required cities to add additional facilities like football stadiums, baseball ballparks, more arenas…it would make that all the more expensive. China’s magnificent venues from their a few years ago are mostly empty – I hear you can tour them on segways and Water Cube (swim stadium) was turned into a giant mood ring. In Greece, the cost of facilities was equal to roughly 8% of their GDP and supposedly contributed to the troubles they are/were having. Los Angeles has hosted the summer games twice, but the city already has a huge amount of facilities & infrastucture…the Rose Bowl, the Coliseum, facilities at UCLA & USC etc. Of course, public transit really sucks in LA – but they had lots of extra buses back in ’84 (plus the Russian boycott). Maybe Berlin can host the games again.... :-) Steve SD Blitz This suggests that cities can actually make money from hosting the games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games so I'm not buying the "it costs too much" argument, it only costs too much if the people in charge don't plan properly and spend too much. There are also quite a few cities that wouldn't need to build new infrastructures to host the games, NYC, Paris, Madrid, Buenos Aires... have quite a few handy stadiums ready and these are just cities I know fairly well, I'm sure there are many others that could do it. |
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| posted: 2013-12-23 18:36:01 (ID: 100017474) Report Abuse | |
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Meitheisman wrote:
This suggests that cities can actually make money from hosting the games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games so I'm not buying the "it costs too much" argument, it only costs too much if the people in charge don't plan properly and spend too much. There are also quite a few cities that wouldn't need to build new infrastructures to host the games, NYC, Paris, Madrid, Buenos Aires... have quite a few handy stadiums ready and these are just cities I know fairly well, I'm sure there are many others that could do it. Oh...I find this very hard to believe. Greece lost huge amounts on the Olympics. For Beijing you have no way of knowing (because there is no financial transparency in China) and their facilities either aren't being used or are under used. Other places they spend tons on facilities, claim the facilities will be used by local sports teams after the games and then claim a profit on the rest. Just a shell game.... Steve SD Blitz |
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posted: 2013-12-24 10:44:18 (ID: 100017512) Report Abuse |
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Greece was/is extremely corrupt though so you can't use them as your base example. Their officials probably asked for $x to build a stadium and then actually spend $0.1x on said stadium. The rest of the money disappeared in space I guess
LA, Salt Lake and Atlanta all reported a profit. Canada's also pretty transparent and they claim Vancouver broke even. So we're basically back to my point if the Olympics were held in cities with good infrastructures to begin with and with good management they can be profitable. I've always thought that building new stadiums just for the Olympics was really dumb in the first place, Buenos Aires has like 8 professional soccer teams for example, just give them the Olympics instead of hosting them in Greece and ending up with $15B of losses for stadium that nobody uses. |
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| posted: 2013-12-24 10:50:01 (ID: 100017513) Report Abuse | |
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Meitheisman wrote:
Greece was/is extremely corrupt though so you can't use them as your base example. Their officials probably asked for $x to build a stadium and then actually spend $0.1x on said stadium. The rest of the money disappeared in space I guess
Sorry to destroy dreams, but this is the way it was at every single Olympics, soccer championship and so on...there is no reason to blame Greece (only) |
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posted: 2013-12-24 11:19:33 (ID: 100017515) Report Abuse |
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Well, I'm sure there's a certain level of corruption for any major event anywhere in the world yes but there are certainly different levels of corruptions depending on where you are.
For example, I've had cops ask me for money on the street for absolutely no reason in South America, this sort of thing simply doesn't happen in Western Europe or North America. The Olympics is just the same thing at a greater level, there's even a list somewhere of the most/least corrupted countries in the world. This list wouldn't exist if corruption was equal everywhere. Are you really implying that the Athens Olympics or the Qatar WC are just as corrupt as the London Olympics or the German WC? |
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| posted: 2013-12-24 11:42:10 (ID: 100017516) Report Abuse | |
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IMO...yes. Sometimes I wish I would be 100 years in the future, and just take an ancient history book, read it...knowing who shot JFK, who the CIA fucked up, and who paid for the Soccer WC in Germany...And I bet I would be surprised...
There is no question for the level of a crime....it is like saying there are different types of murders  |
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posted: 2013-12-24 11:52:43 (ID: 100017517) Report Abuse |
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Then either I'm gullible or you're paranoid because I honestly can't even imagine the WC in Germany involving anywhere nearly as much corruption as the WC in Qatar.
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| posted: 2013-12-24 11:54:22 (ID: 100017518) Report Abuse | |
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Oh...maybe both
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