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Doc
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posted: 2016-09-04 14:44:28 (ID: 100085014) Report Abuse |
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thomastem wrote:
Doc wrote:
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This looks so different than what the plays in my games say on pass plays. Can I please have a link to the game you took these plays from? How many times have you been sacked by DTs or NTs? Run a scrimmage (no point in linking it as you cannot see other people's scrims)(try this one Divers Scrim), the live feed for matchday's do not include all lines of data. And no, I haven't been sacked by either, but just because DT's and NT are not programmed into the play system to get sacks, does mean I do not think that they effect the sacking roll chance. It's possible. While I can't prove it because sample size may be to small I know for a fact that my 5-3 blitz has not been getting a higher sack rate than my 3 down lineman lines. If the DTs and NTs contribute to the sack roll it would stand to reason that 5-3 blitz would out perform 3-4 blitz. While not proof it is data to start to form an opinion. Everyone can go back and determine on average how many plays it took in a formation with blitz to achieve a sack and form their own opinion. Is this how you formed your opinion or are there data points I haven't considered? There are so many variables to take into account i.e. direct OL/DL opponent player stats matchup,offense/defense formations you are up against, down/yardage etc. that it would be hard to get a sample size. I do suggest you run a scrimmage, with all SG4 passing for both offense, and 3-4-4 blitz defense for one team and 5-3-3 blitz defense for the other, all game, and note if you see a difference. How I formed my opinion and trying to keep the thread on track is from in-game stats. Buffalo mentioned his blocking stats of 35-40% and resulted in 65 sacks. My blocking stats (Starters have only played in EL and 2 Cup games, so have not played in Super Cup bot stomps etc.) OT - Joseph Fitzpatrick 57% OG - Babarimisa Soyinka 63.7% OC - Cameron O'Carroll 59.3% OG - Dillon Maher 64.1% OT - Alan O'Connor 57.4% I have been sacked 12 times this season. So I am of the opinion that the higher your blocking % is from your OL, the less times you may get sacked. Genius, I know 
I would go so far to say that Buffalo's OL is better than mine, except for the missing speed stat. It would be interesting to see what these numbers are and how much they may effect blocking overall. The DL meta has definitely shifted over the seasons to hyper fast DE's etc. If Buffalo's guys are slow, it could be something to look at, if they are not, then it may be something else! Last edited on 2016-09-04 15:19:08 by Doc |
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Gambler75
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posted: 2016-09-04 16:09:33 (ID: 100085018) Report Abuse |
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Also - there's a pretty staggering difference @ FB between your two squads. While that doesn't account for the OL % success at all - it does certainly factor into the number of times those get converted from simply a breakthrough, versus a sack.
Add another 6-7% difference for the 1-2% bonus from having a coach for CK, vs no coach (-5%) on the Lions ... and the lack of rushing calls from the SG formations (~1 FB rush per game from the Lions vs ~21 per game from CK), folks were probably teeing off blitz wise a bit more against the Lions as well. *edit* Though after looking through a number of Mombasa's tougher games, actually seems like the vast majority of the sacks were given up from the I formations, not SG2/4 ... odd as you would think people would be more worried about him running then. Last edited on 2016-09-04 16:11:43 by Gambler75 |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2016-09-04 16:26:39 (ID: 100085019) Report Abuse |
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just a quick stat. my team only gave up 1 sack this season in all games so far. My OT skills are only 39avg and 38avg. 49str. No subs
for the year in all game 70% and 68% success Good FB 45str 38blo But my QB is 50spd 49.8int SO speed form the QB helps a lot Just don't know if it help that much at elite |
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| posted: 2016-09-04 18:51:24 (ID: 100085030) Report Abuse | |
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andrew2scott2 wrote:
just a quick stat. my team only gave up 1 sack this season in all games so far. My OT skills are only 39avg and 38avg. 49str. No subs for the year in all game 70% and 68% success Good FB 45str 38blo But my QB is 50spd 49.8int SO speed form the QB helps a lot Just don't know if it help that much at elite I only looked at three of your games but it looks like you only use SG4? If this the case then the formation needs to be taken into account, especially if it's a different formation he's having trouble with? |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2016-09-04 22:24:29 (ID: 100085035) Report Abuse |
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Yes. But the season before my old qb with sped of 43 was sack 12 times.
With better oline. Than I have now. |
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| posted: 2016-09-04 22:47:34 (ID: 100085037) Report Abuse | |
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Buffalo wrote:
In my opinion speed and agility of the QB is more important to avoid sacks, than a strong OL. Not going to get into an argument about how the OL actually functions, but I do agree that QB Spd is the single biggest factor in avoiding sacks. And (at the elite level), the difference between a 40 Spd and 50 Spd QB is pretty significant. On the other hand, every sack I get seems to be followed by a 19 yard pass that nullifies the affect of the sack. :-( Steve SD Blitz |
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andrew2scott2 wrote:
Yes. But the season before my old qb with sped of 43 was sack 12 times. With better oline. Than I have now. Cool,  |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2016-09-05 06:32:02 (ID: 100085049) Report Abuse |
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This conversation makes me think we should start a group like Football Outsiders that just gathers data from RZA and eventually you'll have a big enough data set to make meaningful conclusions!
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posted: 2016-09-05 06:39:40 (ID: 100085050) Report Abuse |
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Cheesehead wrote:
This conversation makes me think we should start a group like Football Outsiders that just gathers data from RZA and eventually you'll have a big enough data set to make meaningful conclusions! those who will tell do not know. those who know will not tell. |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2016-09-05 08:18:50 (ID: 100085061) Report Abuse |
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JohnnyAce wrote:
Cheesehead wrote:
This conversation makes me think we should start a group like Football Outsiders that just gathers data from RZA and eventually you'll have a big enough data set to make meaningful conclusions! those who know will not tell. Not true, a lot of tips from those who know here in the forums. The tough part is to know, if the guys knows something or if he just pretends to know something
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