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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2016-09-05 08:23:22 (ID: 100085063) Report Abuse |
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Quick reply to the OP:
I have lesser OL than the Mombasa Lions but better blocking stats imo, 3 factors might contribute to that 1) I use 6 OL and rotate them, so they should be fresher at the end of the game. I usually run better at the end of games than in the 1st quarter, so fatigue should have influence 2) My run ratio is higher and I run from every formation 3) I have nearly always a FB on the field and I have 2 good blocking FBs |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2016-09-05 08:28:00 (ID: 100085064) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
3) I have nearly always a FB on the field and I have 2 good blocking FBs I suspect this is a big part of as my FBs have almost always a 100% block ratio which means I think they blocked a blitzer right? |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2016-09-05 08:30:43 (ID: 100085065) Report Abuse |
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Cheesehead wrote:
hollyhh2000 wrote:
3) I have nearly always a FB on the field and I have 2 good blocking FBs I suspect this is a big part of as my FBs have almost always a 100% block ratio which means I think they blocked a blitzer right? FB stats never show a missed block, unfortunately it doesn't mean that they never let a blitzer go through so you can't rely on FB blocking stats at all. |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2016-09-05 08:32:14 (ID: 100085066) Report Abuse |
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Cheesehead wrote:
hollyhh2000 wrote:
3) I have nearly always a FB on the field and I have 2 good blocking FBs I suspect this is a big part of as my FBs have almost always a 100% block ratio which means I think they blocked a blitzer right? These stats are just on Blitz Pick ups, where unfortunately (for a defensive guy) FBs are perfect. But I think (although I surely do not know) that they help in the blocking calculation, if it is in the direct OL vs DL blocking calculation or in some Formation vs Formation factor, only one man knows for sure  Last edited on 2016-09-05 08:32:58 by hollyhh2000 |
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Doc
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posted: 2016-09-05 12:35:59 (ID: 100085076) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
Cheesehead wrote:
hollyhh2000 wrote:
3) I have nearly always a FB on the field and I have 2 good blocking FBs I suspect this is a big part of as my FBs have almost always a 100% block ratio which means I think they blocked a blitzer right? These stats are just on Blitz Pick ups, where unfortunately (for a defensive guy) FBs are perfect. But I think (although I surely do not know) that they help in the blocking calculation, if it is in the direct OL vs DL blocking calculation or in some Formation vs Formation factor, only one man knows for sure Chronicles > Teamstats > League games only (anyone can look at these, so don't shoot me for posting, just trying to put numbers behind it) Lions - Times sacked 64 Name Pos Games Plays good missed Pancakes Success % Montell Findley OL 16 1106 376 730 238 34 Wyclef Hutchins OL 16 925 220 397 99 35.7 Frigyes Kocsis OL 16 821 322 488 170 39.8 Scotty Walker OL 16 729 104 187 56 35.7 Luke Bell OL 16 657 213 349 116 37.9 Demont Palmer OL 16 557 69 135 32 33.8 Tadhg O'Rourke OL 16 480 103 108 64 48.8 Wadenbeisser - Times sacked 7 Name Pos Games Plays good missed Pancakes Success % Bobby Rooney OL 15 1056 348 402 214 46.4 Ahmet Ahmed OL 15 1056 232 252 153 47.9 Vitaliy Kulakov OL 16 1056 424 546 261 43.7 Muamer VasiljevOL 16 1054 193 218 116 47 Cemil Jung OL 16 1053 453 597 264 43.1 Bill Bautista OL 14 899 240 396 114 37.7 Knights - Times Sacked 11 Name Pos Games Plays good missed Pancakes Success % Cameron O'Carroll OL 16 1232 357 549 151 39.4 Alan O'Connor OL 16 1227 606 621 414 49.4 Babarimisa Soyinka OL 16 1225 295 188 229 61.1 Dillon Maher OL 16 1213 265 216 175 55.1 Joseph Fitzpatrick OL 15 1160 615 545 400 53 On your 3 points above Holly, in relation to these season long stats. 1) 'Rotating linemen are fresher and could produce better results'. Out of the 3 of us, Buffalo rotates his linemen the most and has the least success. I rotate the least and have the most success. Although this may indeed be a factor, I'm not sure it is the answer to improving blocking success. 2) 'Run ratio is higher'. This could well be the main issue if other factors cannot be found. 3) 'The FB' - Out of the 3 teams Waden has the best blocking FB's by a large margin, with the Knights (started the season 24 blocking) and Lions having similar blocking stats for the FB. Do the blocking stats for OL indicate that FB blocking influences the OL blocking %, in my opinion, no. Do the blocking stats of the FB influence the number of sacks, in my opinion, yes. Again, this is not argument provoking, this is only trying to put stats behind suggestions in a thread asking about improving/the effects of OL blocking %, a topic in which we are all pretty clueless. Other factors to consider, speed of OL? Speed of QB (no relation to block % but maybe to sacks)? Formations/plays? ./shrug ./discuss |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2016-09-05 12:47:38 (ID: 100085078) Report Abuse |
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Great post, Doc I would really like us all to see from the stats, how good the OL works
I will try to add a little more data when I am done gameplanning for my SC match 
I will give you the percentage of formations for the 3 teams out of the play by play data, if neither you or Buffaloe vetoes it. |
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joi.pranzl
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posted: 2016-09-05 13:37:25 (ID: 100085087) Report Abuse |
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Doc wrote:
Other factors to consider, speed of OL? Speed of QB (no relation to block % but maybe to sacks)? Formations/plays? ./shrug ./discuss my two cents: I am on a boat with many others who have very limited clue about the blocking and its success (or rather none). But two aspects I want to mention: 1) regarding sacks - I do think, as it has been stated, that SPE of the QB plays a crucial role (as does formation, DE, LB etc). 2) Comparing stats regarding the OL blocking success of teams can always show only one part I guess, as the opponents defense should be looked at as well... |
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Doc
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posted: 2016-09-05 13:51:18 (ID: 100085088) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
Great post, Doc I would really like us all to see from the stats, how good the OL works I will try to add a little more data when I am done gameplanning for my SC match
I will give you the percentage of formations for the 3 teams out of the play by play data, if neither you or Buffaloe vetoes it. I'm fine with anything Holly, I know how close Buffalo is/was to leaving so if he can get anything informative from the thread that sways his decision to stay, then all the better. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2016-09-05 13:59:21 (ID: 100085090) Report Abuse |
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Honestly I'm going to keep reading this thread hoping that you guys manage to come up with something but I think playing devil's advocate and basically dismissing any conclusion anybody arrives to is too easy with the OL.
First of all you have 5 of them and each position blocks differently. OG seem to almost always have a higher blocking success rate while OC seem to almost always be last. So to compare players you'd need to play them at all OL positions. Second of all Pete has said many times that the OL blocking works as a unit meaning that if you want to compare player A and B you'll have to play them with the exact same 4 OL next to them. i.e: It's impossible to compare OL between teams. Third of all the formations. You can only compare blocking if the O and D formations were the same. Comparing SG4WR vs 533 and Goalline O vs 344 will never lead to any meaningful conclusions. Fourth, defensive personnel. You need to compare OL against the same DL/LB else the comparison isn't valid either. Fifth, OL AC. To make sure that coaches aren't impacting the result you need to measure these stats without an OL coach. As soon as you have one his rolls will influence the outcome and he might help or hurt certain players based on these roles. Sixth, DL/LB AC. Same with the defenses AC, to compare apples to apples you need to play against a D without DL/LB ACs. Seventh fatigue. You can't compare the 1st play of a game with the 12th play of a drive in the 4th quarter because fatigue will affect each player on the field differently based on pre-game PC and number of plays spent on the field that day. Once you've made sure that the above are all equal (which is basically impossible) if you can find OLs with the same skills except speed then maybe you'll be able to decide whether speed has an impact on OL blocking success or not. The only other alternative is Pete telling us, which he won't do, so we'll be left with guesses here, as usual. |
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Doc
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posted: 2016-09-05 14:03:56 (ID: 100085092) Report Abuse |
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You know all to well, as I know, we won't find anything conclusive Meith, but there has to be something obvious that we are all missing that explains why the better OL (Lions) is under performing so much, compared to other OL's.
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