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JonnyP
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posted: 2016-09-08 13:48:36 (ID: 100085428) Report Abuse |
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thomastem wrote:
punch drunk wrote:
FB blocking on SG are properly effective IMO. Sacks do happen but with the "6th" lineman (blocker) it really is harder to get at the QB. You meant to say 3 right? 2 tackles and a FB. The kicker at center and punter at guard really aren't too worried about that DT pass rush now are they? Stop spouting this nonsense please. All OL contribute to a combined Line Blocking total which affects the chance of DE breaking through, we just don't see that shown in the individual player stats. |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-08 14:40:17 (ID: 100085430) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
I think, a couple of factors contribute: 1. Buffaloes passing a lot out of no FB Formation 20 Sacks were from SBS, SBB or Pro Set 2. Heavy passing % out of the same Formation Mombasa passed 82% of the times he ran an I-Formation and 69% he ran a Singleback Spread. So every Defense was in its passing defense and thinking pass and nearly every Defensive Coordinator who scouted his teams, were dialing up blitzes against this formations 58 of 67 sacks came from those 2 formations. I would bet, that the low Blocking stats are mainly driven by 1) high percentage of pass blocking ( my guess: scoring a good Passblock is harder than scoring a good Runblock) 2) the defense was expecting the Pass and thus ready for the passblocking, making it harder to succeed awesome breakdown! thx  |
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thomastem
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posted: 2016-09-08 15:07:17 (ID: 100085431) Report Abuse |
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JonnyP wrote:
thomastem wrote:
punch drunk wrote:
FB blocking on SG are properly effective IMO. Sacks do happen but with the "6th" lineman (blocker) it really is harder to get at the QB. You meant to say 3 right? 2 tackles and a FB. The kicker at center and punter at guard really aren't too worried about that DT pass rush now are they? Stop spouting this nonsense please. All OL contribute to a combined Line Blocking total which affects the chance of DE breaking through, we just don't see that shown in the individual player stats. But is it more than a TW calculation? Is there a confirmation that the skills other than TW of interior lineman are used to stop DEs from blitzing on pass plays? If so please post a link where Pete confirms this and I will admit I am wrong and apologize to everyone for "spouting nonsense". I mean this sincerely as I will have learned something and improved at RZA. I doubt it's there but am hopeful. |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2016-09-08 15:17:47 (ID: 100085432) Report Abuse |
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thomastem wrote:
JonnyP wrote:
thomastem wrote:
punch drunk wrote:
FB blocking on SG are properly effective IMO. Sacks do happen but with the "6th" lineman (blocker) it really is harder to get at the QB. You meant to say 3 right? 2 tackles and a FB. The kicker at center and punter at guard really aren't too worried about that DT pass rush now are they? Stop spouting this nonsense please. All OL contribute to a combined Line Blocking total which affects the chance of DE breaking through, we just don't see that shown in the individual player stats. But is it more than a TW calculation? Is there a confirmation that the skills other than TW of interior lineman are used to stop DEs from blitzing on pass plays? If so please post a link where Pete confirms this and I will admit I am wrong and apologize to everyone for "spouting nonsense". I mean this sincerely as I will have learned something and improved at RZA. I doubt it's there but am hopeful. I did already exactly that here and unfortunately it has not stopped you posting the same phrase over and over again. |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2016-09-08 15:45:07 (ID: 100085435) Report Abuse |
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But apart from the way he communicates it, the tanker has a point
It makes not much sense, that the weakside DE can get a tackle on a Strong Sweep, while a Strongside DT or a NT who should be much closer to the action, never tackle the ball carrier From my combined scouting Files I tracked a couple of competitive games involving Elite league teams. During those games, there were 2596 runs over the right end 547 Tackles by the DE/R 253 Tackles by the DE/L 1249 Tackles by the OLB/L 0 Tackles by the OLB/R 301 Tackles by the SS/L 148 Tackles by the SS/C 98 Tackles by the CB/L 0 Tackles by the CB/R It makes no sense at all that the backside DE has more than twice at much Tackles than the DE you are running at. this is probably a bug 
For further updates it would be nice, if DTs, and MLB could make a play on an outside run Last edited on 2016-09-08 15:45:21 by hollyhh2000 |
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thomastem
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posted: 2016-09-08 17:26:07 (ID: 100085445) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
thomastem wrote:
JonnyP wrote:
thomastem wrote:
punch drunk wrote:
FB blocking on SG are properly effective IMO. Sacks do happen but with the "6th" lineman (blocker) it really is harder to get at the QB. You meant to say 3 right? 2 tackles and a FB. The kicker at center and punter at guard really aren't too worried about that DT pass rush now are they? Stop spouting this nonsense please. All OL contribute to a combined Line Blocking total which affects the chance of DE breaking through, we just don't see that shown in the individual player stats. But is it more than a TW calculation? Is there a confirmation that the skills other than TW of interior lineman are used to stop DEs from blitzing on pass plays? If so please post a link where Pete confirms this and I will admit I am wrong and apologize to everyone for "spouting nonsense". I mean this sincerely as I will have learned something and improved at RZA. I doubt it's there but am hopeful. I did already exactly that here and unfortunately it has not stopped you posting the same phrase over and over again. Because it is talking about blocking in general but doesn't say blitz pick up. It may or may not be concerning run blocking. May or may not means it is not definitive. While based on this statement you might be right I believe assuming 100 percent that it includes blitz pick up is premature. A good piece of evidence but not sold yet. Can anyone add more evidence from Pete? |
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thomastem
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posted: 2016-09-08 17:32:22 (ID: 100085446) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
But apart from the way he communicates it, the tanker has a point Thank you for the compliment. It means a lot when regular posters give me unsolicited praise. Let me return the favor. You are a valued member of the RZA forums that contribute regularly. Your open mind in discussions with those that disagree with your philosophies is a great example to all that wish to communicate with the community. Your posts regularly cheer me up. Thank you for your contributions. |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2016-09-08 23:11:00 (ID: 100085488) Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
During those games, there were 2596 runs over the right end 547 Tackles by the DE/R 253 Tackles by the DE/L 1249 Tackles by the OLB/L 0 Tackles by the OLB/R 301 Tackles by the SS/L 148 Tackles by the SS/C 98 Tackles by the CB/L 0 Tackles by the CB/R It makes no sense at all that the backside DE has more than twice at much Tackles than the DE you are running at. this is probably a bug
but wait, I might interpret the wording wrong, but doesnt "run over the right end" mean a run at the DE/R? |
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Rock777
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posted: 2016-09-08 23:18:16 (ID: 100085489) Report Abuse |
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I thought it meant the right end of your O-line, which would be the left side DE, but maybe I've just been misinterpreting it...
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Gambler75
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posted: 2016-09-08 23:38:20 (ID: 100085493) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
I thought it meant the right end of your O-line, which would be the left side DE, but maybe I've just been misinterpreting it... Yep that's spot on. RDE ... RDT ... LDT ... LDE LT ... LG ... C ... RG ... RT A run over the right end, is a run at the LDE. 
Especially since the terminology used in all the other runs as well, refer to the offense, not the defense. ie. run over C, run over LG, run over RT, etc. Last edited on 2016-09-08 23:39:51 by Gambler75 |
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