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  Poll: Create a tax for seasonal gains of a manager depending on his status and bankroll?, Poll closed, votes: 216
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Yes, as described in your post, Yoda!
56
No - dare you to touch my gains...
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I don't care / I don't have gains / It is on Yoda / There is no democracy in this forums, so why do you even ask?
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posted: 2016-12-29 12:04:22 (ID: 100094500)  Edits found: 2 Report Abuse
The idea is to stop teams from creating huge bankrolls, without investing from this money...right now the top 10 have

2,251,957,664
1,427,946,014
1,186,174,235
1,105,626,566
1,015,094,140
1,013,784,521
988,183,372
963,114,766
953,204,670
944,869,089

I understood that a tax based on the bankroll is not accepted, because the rich managers are the loudest as well ( C'mon, )

So here is the new proposal:

If a manager is "top manager" (aka has a full build stadium)
AND
If a manager has more than 500 million on his account
AND
If a manager has gains more than "X" million

We cut 20 % of his gains (!!!) above "X" over the season at season-rollover...

Cons: Yes, there is a large number of managers who have such a big payroll already, and it means we do not touch them. But this cannot be the stopper for a change, because if our forefathers would have acted this way, we would still sit in a cave, maybe even without fire, and consume raw mammoth...In other words, I have to start with this

Pro: Probably managers will start investing in their teams more than they do today. RZA is not meant to support the "SwabianHausfrau"*, you know...

*aka most stingy subject in the world, even scottish landlords aren't anything like these women

Last edited on 2016-12-29 12:37:20 by pete

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posted: 2016-12-29 12:36:38 (ID: 100094502) Report Abuse
Update: to make it clear: it is not about taxes on the whole gains, it is about taxes on the gains above "x"...
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Firenze
posted: 2016-12-29 13:28:27 (ID: 100094508) Report Abuse
The teams on that list are probably Elite teams who aren't making much profit or running at a loss, so taxing their profits wouldn't hurt them at all, as they don't have any.

It would affect mid range teams with full stadiums and low expenses, and anyone who sells big on the TM. It would hurt firesellers the most, and make fireselling useless (which is probably a good thing) unless they immediately bought lots of players in that same season to get under the value of X

The test would be for Pete to choose the value of X, then use last seasons data to see which teams would be affected, if the tax was introduced. I suspect only a handful of teams would incur this tax, and only one or two of those teams would be in that top 10 list.
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posted: 2016-12-29 13:33:07 (ID: 100094509) Report Abuse
Firenze wrote:

It would affect mid range teams with full stadiums and low expenses, and anyone who sells big on the TM. It would hurt firesellers the most, and make fireselling useless (which is probably a good thing) unless they immediately bought lots of players in that same season to get under the value of X


you forgot the "more than 500 million on their accout" thing?
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McKay93
posted: 2016-12-29 13:36:53 (ID: 100094510) Report Abuse
I choose the "build slow and steady and develop your own talent" approach for this game. I'm making about 90 milion per season (declining every season since my roster becomes more expensive) without the Transfer market. Now you want to tell me that way to play the game is wrong and put a tax on me for no reason whatsoever?

I'd rather have a 30% tax on Transfer Market income, since playing the transfer market to your advantage is clearly a much more "wrong" way to play the game then this.

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Firenze
posted: 2016-12-29 13:38:41 (ID: 100094511)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
pete wrote:
Firenze wrote:

It would affect mid range teams with full stadiums and low expenses, and anyone who sells big on the TM. It would hurt firesellers the most, and make fireselling useless (which is probably a good thing) unless they immediately bought lots of players in that same season to get under the value of X


you forgot the "more than 500 million on their accout" thing?


I suppose a manager could sell up to that amount without penalty, if they were below it, yes.

I haven't been below that value for quite some time, so I'm a bit out of touch with how an average team runs their finances.

Last edited on 2016-12-29 13:39:40 by Firenze

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Stanford87
posted: 2016-12-29 13:44:19 (ID: 100094512) Report Abuse
Unfortunately I had to vote "I don't have gains"
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posted: 2016-12-29 13:47:25 (ID: 100094513) Report Abuse
McKay93 wrote:
Now you want to tell me that way to play the game is wrong and put a tax on me for no reason whatsoever?


I don't do that, and I don't have this in mind at all. To determine X in a sensible way should protect the "slow build" managers...
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Korberano
posted: 2016-12-29 13:49:05 (ID: 100094514) Report Abuse
I am not on this list anymore cause i invested big offseason and at the start of the season. I almost exchanged my whole roster and that was planed over 6 seasons to get a young team that will have the experience in 5 seasons or more to get a shot for Elite. If this was there in the past i would be punished for keeping my money so i wouldn´t be in the position to buy drafted young talent.

I don´t realy get the problem with money in stock, everybody plays the game a different way.
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posted: 2016-12-29 14:02:53 (ID: 100094515) Report Abuse
And there is no problem with dooing so.

The answer to you is similar as the one to McKay
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