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  Poll: Create a tax for seasonal gains of a manager depending on his status and bankroll?, Poll closed, votes: 216
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Yes, as described in your post, Yoda!
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No - dare you to touch my gains...
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I don't care / I don't have gains / It is on Yoda / There is no democracy in this forums, so why do you even ask?
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pete
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posted: 2017-01-01 23:27:52 (ID: 100094789) Report Abuse
Based on your number: you ave around 900 million on your account, and plan to overspend 20-30 million per season. This makes you "untouchable" by a team not able to overspend for around 30 to 40 seasons...no, this is not what we want from the competition point of view.

Once more, why are you guys so greedy not to give up a little from your GAINS!...Meitheismen would spend exactly nothing on taxes, since his GAINS are below zero...

Could someone answer the bold please?

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Meitheisman
posted: 2017-01-01 23:36:26 (ID: 100094790) Report Abuse
That's why I suggested a limit on players salary Pete!

I said myself that your tax would not affect me and that imo the best way imo to limit the financial advantage teams like mine have is to put a strict salary cap.


And btw, why should a new team be able to compete with me by overspending $30M a season? I've earned this right by playing this game for 15 seasons without buying players on the TM and basically having no chance of winning my league (even my division) for years of real life. My bank balance is my reward for having been extremely patient and taking a very slow build approach. If another manager wants to follow my footsteps and overspend $30M a year for 30 seasons he can, he'll just have to save money for 15 seasons like I did.
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pete
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posted: 2017-01-01 23:52:54 (ID: 100094791) Report Abuse
I refuse to discuss further until someone is answering that bold question!

Good night, everybody...
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Drogon
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posted: 2017-01-02 00:08:09 (ID: 100094792) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
Once more, why are you guys so greedy not to give up a little from your GAINS!...Meitheismen would spend exactly nothing on taxes, since his GAINS are below zero...

Could someone answer the bold please?


I don't want to give my money if I can't know where it goes.
I don't want my savings to help a manager who spends his money without taking care about his finances.

No tax on savings, no tax on rewards.
A tax based on income (ticket income and transfert market) to help new teams would be acceptable.

(No - dare you to touch my gains...
That was my choice)
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posted: 2017-01-02 00:27:02 (ID: 100094793)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
Wait...

Manager a has income from tickets and so on: 50 million. He spends on expenses: 70 million: Gain: -20 million

Manager b has income from tickets and so on: 50 million. He spends on expenses: 30 million: Gain: 20 million

It is better to have taxes on both these 50 million???

Every single income tax system in the world works different, because it causes taxes on manager b only, which is my plan...B would pay 10-15% on these 20 million, if he has more than X on his bank account, only. Manager a would pay no single cent. If manager B has less than X on his bank account, he pays nothing as well...

Now tell me again, this (my idea) is more crucial than income tax...

Last edited on 2017-01-02 00:28:59 by pete

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Meitheisman
posted: 2017-01-02 00:28:48 (ID: 100094794) Report Abuse
pete wrote:Once more, why are you guys so greedy not to give up a little from your GAINS!...Meitheismen would spend exactly nothing on taxes, since his GAINS are below zero...

Could someone answer the bold please?



I have no problem with you taxing my gains since as you pointed out I don't have any.

However, I don't think this is a good way to go because if a team joins today and wants to follow my strategy (save for 15 seasons and then overspend for 30 seasons) it will be harder for that team than it was for me. I'm actually not thinking of my team's personal interest here but about the game as a whole.
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posted: 2017-01-02 00:29:54 (ID: 100094795) Report Abuse
You are not supposed to overspend 30 seasons, you are supposed to overspend a max of maybe 5 seasons...period!
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posted: 2017-01-02 00:33:36 (ID: 100094796) Report Abuse
Drogon wrote:
I don't want my savings to help a manager who spends his money without taking care about his finances.



IT NEVER WAS ABOUT THIS DAMN FUCKED UP SAVINGS!!!!
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Meitheisman
posted: 2017-01-02 00:42:35 (ID: 100094797) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
You are not supposed to overspend 30 seasons, you are supposed to overspend a max of maybe 5 seasons...period!


Maybe this could be a new rule? If you overspend for 6 seasons or more you have to pay a tax.
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McKay93
posted: 2017-01-02 00:45:50 (ID: 100094798) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
GAINS!

pete wrote:
I ignore people who are screaming at me...so calm down a little, please.



As I said before, there I could live with a plain tax on all season gains, as long as it is not tied to the bank account (which is the case atm if I understood the current suggestion correctly.)
BUT
(and pls dont quote just that but and claim I am screaming for no reason)
I am against this tax going to players that overspend. If it goes either
a) just to non-Top Managers or
b) directly out of the game
'm okay with it. Not a fan, but i won't complain either.
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