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gabriel06
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posted: 2017-04-20 11:29:14 (ID: 100102617) Report Abuse |
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so what are the DTs and NTs doing if the DE's are always blitzing?
And by that rationale, can you then confirm that the Fearsome trait only has an effect if the player who has it and is a DL, is lined up at the DE position? |
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Arcturus78
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posted: 2017-04-20 11:38:38 (ID: 100102618) Report Abuse |
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gabriel06 wrote:
so what are the DTs and NTs doing if the DE's are always blitzing? And by that rationale, can you then confirm that the Fearsome trait only has an effect if the player who has it and is a DL, is lined up at the DE position? Plus, wouldn't it in that case make sense to start differentiating the DT/DE (and similarly also on the offensive side and with the LBs on that account) in terms of recruitIng etc. (i.e. not only in the depth chart)? I can of course imagine that this would probably cause a lot of hassling with game mechanics in the background... |
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| posted: 2017-04-20 12:27:43 (ID: 100102621) Report Abuse | |
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gabriel06 wrote:
so what are the DTs and NTs doing if the DE's are always blitzing? And by that rationale, can you then confirm that the Fearsome trait only has an effect if the player who has it and is a DL, is lined up at the DE position? NT/DT: depends on what the defense is set to defend against. No, I won't confirm or deny anything on this matter. |
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| posted: 2017-04-20 12:30:08 (ID: 100102622) Report Abuse | |
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Arcturus78 wrote:
Plus, wouldn't it in that case make sense to start differentiating the DT/DE (and similarly also on the offensive side and with the LBs on that account) in terms of recruitIng etc. (i.e. not only in the depth chart)? No, it makes no sense for me. But yes, a manager will probably build a different player if he goes for a DE instead of a DT or NT. The positional groups stay as they are yet |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2017-04-20 12:39:49 (ID: 100102627) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
NT/DT: depends on what the defense is set to defend against. Wow, this comes out of the blue 
Not so long ago we had the discussion that if you have 3-4-4 set against pass and rush it would change nothing on the defense ability to stop the play whether the defense is thinking pass or rush, I thaught you did confirm that Now you say, the DT/NT will do different things if they are set to defend run or pass, so I assume it helps the defense defend better against run/pass
what is right? Edit to make the question clear: Does any player on a 3-4-4 defense does anything different when the defense is set to defend against the pass than the player on a 3-4-4 defense would do when the defense is set to defend against the run? Last edited on 2017-04-20 12:43:41 by hollyhh2000 |
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gabriel06
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posted: 2017-04-20 14:16:01 (ID: 100102630) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
[No, I won't confirm or deny anything on this matter. Im all for fundamental secrets not being given away, but I think this is different to that - in that it is YOUR wording of the trait and its effect which is potentially misleading managers or should be fully aware of exactly how to get the trait applied. I don't see any harm (myself) with either changing the wording on the Trait to read "DE" (as well as LB and SF) or confirm that as it reads DL, then it is applicable wherever on the D Line that player appears. Your call, but this is basic stuff IMO that needs polishing up so there can be understanding and consistency, which surely is the objective? |
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| posted: 2017-04-20 14:30:47 (ID: 100102632) Report Abuse | |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
pete wrote:
NT/DT: depends on what the defense is set to defend against. Wow, this comes out of the blue
Not so long ago we had the discussion that if you have 3-4-4 set against pass and rush it would change nothing on the defense ability to stop the play whether the defense is thinking pass or rush, I thaught you did confirm that I remember that "discussion".......... Good times. |
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Gambler75
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posted: 2017-04-20 20:02:52 (ID: 100102647) Report Abuse |
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Also ... there was about a 6 page discussion on this, almost exactly 1 year ago.
Quoting from there, why I believe Fearsome is essentially a wasted trait on anything but a DE. Gambler75 wrote:
Fearsome on DE: 5% chance for an auto-hurry. Fearsome on SF: 1.88% (@75% blitz, assuming a 2 safety formation, otherwise 1.25%) Fearsome on LB: 1.25% / 0.93% chance. (@75% blitz, varies based on chance of being selected - 3 / 4 LBs) Fearsome on DT: 0% chance. That's how I understand it. So might get 3-4 "free" hurries a game with it on a DE. Basically worthless on other positions, IMO. And my youth academy has a 50 Str / 36 Spd Fearsome DT coming, I'm just ignoring the trait - I don't want a DE *that* slow. Keep in mind, to reach roughly 1 hurry per game for a SF/LB from the trait ... you would have to A) force start them, and B) max blitz their position EVERY defensive down. Fearsome DE doesn't require you to potentially make some awful defensive decisions to get value from it. |
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| posted: 2017-04-20 20:07:55 (ID: 100102648) Report Abuse | |
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Gambler75 wrote:Fearsome DE doesn't require you to potentially make some awful defensive decisions to get value from it.
that is not the full truth, but yes, you made a valid point |
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Arcturus78
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posted: 2017-04-21 08:38:09 (ID: 100102654) Report Abuse |
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Quite helpful thoughts, thanks!
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