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wsfjlt
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posted: 2017-05-31 17:34:40 (ID: 100106020) Report Abuse |
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In fairness to others I am giving you all advanced notice that I will not be contributing to the media center for financial and strategic reasons. I do not want people to think that everyone is on board with this idea.
According to the media center we are to sit down and discuss, plan and execute. I would suggest everyone contribute nothing, how ever do as you wish. My reasoning. I have no control over what other teams in other leagues do and I doubt that any will be completely funded, we all end up with bots and new teams that do not have money, in fact no new team does, several teams last year where in trouble financially at the start of the year, where are they going to come up with 50 million. I know contribute 10 so those who contribute the 50 get huge rewards while those that gave the 10 are further strapped on putting a good team on the field. Sorry in my opinion, a lot of players just want to have live bots to play against, I refuse to be one of them. My strategy is to be as competitive as I can in this league and to do so I need the availability of my funds t.o acquire any player at any time that I believe may be a factor. By contributing to the media center assures me to be further strapped, which will allow the richer teams to grab the player for nothing as I will not be able to bid After spending a year doing nothing but trying to raise capital I have 45 million I don't have the 50 million and that 45 million is what I need to compete with and I am sure that a lot of other teams in this league and other leagues are in the same boat as me. The wiser thing to do is keep your money and compete with what you have. For those who claimed I didn't follow their suggestions in playing the game, building a stadium, making money ect. I would like to point out, I want to win football games not build stadiums ect. Year 1 started after a quarter of the season played I made the play offs and just mist playing in the conference championship. Year 2 made the super bowl and only maxed out my stadium in time for the play offs and advanced to number 1 league Year 3 As financially strapped as I was, last year I was very competitive but missed the play offs Year 4 sacrificed league games and did everything I could to make money. I tried to loose to get a relegation game to make more money I missed that goal. How ever where I did compete in the super cup I made the play offs sadly 1 and done. year 5 I will be competing in this league and super cup. Think the results speak for themselves that my strategy has worked well for me. |
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jetto
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posted: 2017-05-31 17:54:46 (ID: 100106023) Report Abuse |
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wsfjlt wrote:
I would like to point out, I want to win football games not build stadiums ect. wsfjlt wrote:
I tried to loose to get a relegation game to make more money I missed that goal. Sorry but that's a bit confusing... |
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thomastem
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posted: 2017-05-31 18:52:30 (ID: 100106035) Report Abuse |
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wsfjlt,
You aren't seeing the big picture. Simply put, if you can and the league participates tying up 50 mil to make an extra 10-12 mil per season will give you more buying power not less. You make the money back weekly and aren't waiting until end of season for full amount so money tied up is less and less as you go through season. Lastly if you only have half to invest, 25 mil, and other owners invest 50 mil you are making equal %. They would make 10-12 mil and you would make half that. Same ROI %. I hope you understand the logic in paragraph above and would be happy to debate it constructively. Now you bring up your first 5 seasons like you have some incite others don't have. If you'd like we can compare your first 5 to my first 5. Don't like that idea or my tone? Then please don't give us that tone because you got slapped down in the public forum. Debate them and either prove your point, learn something, or both. That is constructive. |
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wsfjlt
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posted: 2017-05-31 19:13:55 (ID: 100106038) Report Abuse |
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the list shows many that will not be contributing 50 million I don't have it and I would say none of those joining or those that just barely managed to stay will have 50 million.
Bathing Apes 10 million and last year he went game 2 weeks into the season in financial trouble. Many other young teams are in the same boat so no the rewards will not be that high as many teams don't have the money so for the financial reward at the end of the year I and others are suppose to go with out while those with the funds will be able to use their money to win. Sorry I am an economist, tax consultant and financial strategist. This media center helps the wealthy teams and destroys the teams scratching and clawing to try to be able to compete. My contributions will be 0 and advice any team that can not put up the 50 million to do so as well lets see you put up 50 million and get 10 million in reward because fools put up 10 million to help and they get 2 million for that 2 million they gave up the little power they had to acquire a great player or 2 and fall behind by another 8 million in the end in this league It would be best not to contribute and those putting in 50 million get nothing as not enough contribute we all stay more even on our playing field in this league. I hope not enough contribute so those that do loose money that would benefit me and other newer teams that don't contribute. forward. |
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jetto
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posted: 2017-05-31 19:21:44 (ID: 100106040) Report Abuse |
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Well, that's your way of building a team. Others like to build on their own with draftees, youngsters and some cheap guys from the TM to be trained by themselfes (and save some money for the times this guys get expensive).
I think I got your point and for me it's actually absolutely OK if you don't want to contribute - but let everybody decide on your own. And finally, pointing to other mangers is not very polite. Just my 2 cents. |
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thomastem
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posted: 2017-05-31 19:36:03 (ID: 100106042) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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wsfjlt wrote:
Sorry I am an economist, tax consultant and financial strategist. No economist, tax consultant, or financial strategist I know would tell a company or individual, "Better not to make 2 million in profit because it will help another make 10 million." This would be like Alcoa refusing to sell aluminum to Boeing because Boeing makes more profit than Alcoa will off the deal. More simply if you do not invest and Bathing Apes does and makes 2 million in profit then going forward Bathing Apes has gained a purchasing advantage over you. As for the big teams making 10 mil they have gained a 10 mil advantage over you but only and 8 mil advantage over apes. Also Mr. economist you are a start up business relative to the businesses that have been around 20+ seasons. Your focus should be on growing your business not if you make as much as the established businesses. Lastly. This a a football business sim not just a football sim. There is another RZA football game that has much quicker gratification and the focus on the business end is minimal. You don't like building a stadium or investing in long term growth maybe that game is more suited to you likes. Last edited on 2017-05-31 19:37:42 by thomastem |
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wsfjlt
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posted: 2017-05-31 19:43:07 (ID: 100106044) Report Abuse |
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I will apologies to him (Bathing Apes) if I offended him we are in the same division and joined the league together we are or where very comparable to each other and both financially strapped. Every thing that I mentioned was public record, the game states when you are in financial trouble as well as tanking a game, it is there for all to see. I also pointed out what he was contributing according to the list, I could point out others as well but I don't know their names of hand.
This year we went different ways I stepped back to make money he went forward and made the play offs. It will be interesting to see how things go this year. But again I am giving all a heads up and would also like to help other teams that are not so wealthy. There is a huge cost to putting your money in the center, so the rich can make some more money. For instance Bathing Apes and I are in the same division and a nice LB pops up. He put is money as others did into the media center. Both of us need that LB and would pay 10 to 15 million for him. Well he put his money in the center, I didn't so instead of paying the 14 million for him I get him for 6 million because he ran out of money. I believe that would be a savings of 8 million dollars. So he put his money in to make 2 million, I kept my money out, got the great player and saved 8 million. If you don't have 1 to 200 million in the bank, you should be donating nothing to the media center, you are only helping the richer and more powerful teams to be able to dominate you. |
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thomastem
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posted: 2017-05-31 20:08:45 (ID: 100106047) Report Abuse |
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wsfjlt wrote:
I will apologies to him (Bathing Apes) if I offended him we are in the same division and joined the league together we are or where very comparable to each other and both financially strapped. Every thing that I mentioned was public record, the game states when you are in financial trouble as well as tanking a game, it is there for all to see. I also pointed out what he was contributing according to the list, I could point out others as well but I don't know their names of hand. This year we went different ways I stepped back to make money he went forward and made the play offs. It will be interesting to see how things go this year. But again I am giving all a heads up and would also like to help other teams that are not so wealthy. There is a huge cost to putting your money in the center, so the rich can make some more money. For instance Bathing Apes and I are in the same division and a nice LB pops up. He put is money as others did into the media center. Both of us need that LB and would pay 10 to 15 million for him. Well he put his money in the center, I didn't so instead of paying the 14 million for him I get him for 6 million because he ran out of money. I believe that would be a savings of 8 million dollars. So he put his money in to make 2 million, I kept my money out, got the great player and saved 8 million. If you don't have 1 to 200 million in the bank, you should be donating nothing to the media center, you are only helping the richer and more powerful teams to be able to dominate you. This is well thought out and articulated. 1. I agree that the short-term strategy for season 1 that you are investing at the cost of buying power. 2. I do not agree with saving 8 mil on a purchase as the whole league is bidding on players. There may be a slight savings year one on purchases as league wide invested money in media center is not immediately liquid. Matter of fact the more teams you get to forego Media Center the less you save in this manner. Regardless there is no way you are going to see player costs on TM go down 50% as your example. Maybe 10% if you are lucky. 3. You fail to mention the disadvantage your strategy has long term. How each year after the first investing teams gain a buying edge over non-investing teams. If you are going to bring up the short term benefit is it not fair to mention the long term disadvantage? Example of Investing vs not. Team ABC doesn't invest and has 50 mil more to spend on TM that has a 10% discount on players. 50 X .10 =55 Mil. Team ABC gains 55 mil. Team CBA invests 50 mil and gets full benefit. CBA gains 12 mil per year. Using the 5 year example that was brought up earlier. Team ABC gains 55 mil and team CBA gains 12 X 5 = 60mil. However if we love RZA and wish to stay more seasons this difference becomes drastic. ABC always stays at 55 mil. CBA at 10 years 120 mil. CBA at 15 years 180 mil. CBA at 20 years 240 mil. Mathematically your argument is similar to building a stadium. Instead of taking 50 mil and completing your stadium use that to buy players and gain that short term advantage over the teams completing their stadium. You are sacrificing long term for short term either way. |
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posted: 2017-05-31 20:26:45 (ID: 100106050) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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wsfjlt wrote:
Sorry I am an economist, tax consultant and financial strategist. This media center helps the wealthy teams and destroys the teams scratching and clawing to try to be able to compete. I am a financial adviser, analyst, and consultant in the real world at "work". I disagree with you. Relatively speaking the margin of increase is the same in the scenario you gave. In the end the team with 2 extra million has 2 extra million (20%) the team with 10 extra million has 10 million (20%). However, one could argue that the team outlaying 50 million has a larger risk from a pure capital outlay. That being said I myself (not in Thunder) do not plan to give money to the media centre. Last edited on 2017-05-31 20:27:00 by jagreen |
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thomastem
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posted: 2017-05-31 20:46:37 (ID: 100106053) Report Abuse |
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jagreen wrote:
wsfjlt wrote:
Sorry I am an economist, tax consultant and financial strategist. This media center helps the wealthy teams and destroys the teams scratching and clawing to try to be able to compete. I am a financial adviser, analyst, and consultant in the real world at "work". I disagree with you. Relatively speaking the margin of increase is the same in the scenario you gave. In the end the team with 2 extra million has 2 extra million (20%) the team with 10 extra million has 10 million (20%). However, one could argue that the team outlaying 50 million has a larger risk from a pure capital outlay. That being said I myself (not in Thunder) do not plan to give money to the media centre. Is it because the Media center is low ROI or because of where your team is at? Perhaps your league doesn't have enough support to make it profitable? Given that a team already knows there is enough investment committed to turn a 10-12 mil profit per season, is there a reason that I am missing to not invest other than the first season buying power? |
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