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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-06-03 23:09:02 (ID: 100106488) Report Abuse |
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Buddy Ryan wrote:
Rock777 wrote:
Wellesley 92 blitzes on 318 rushing plays (29%) 170 blitzes on 287 passing plays (59%) 13 sacks against 287 pass plays (8%) Other team 252 blitzes on 306 rushing plays (82%) 273 blitzes on 313 passing plays (87%) 49 sacks against 313 pass plays (18%) looking at your friendly schedule (and Langdon, Delgado  it was not too hard to find out which team your are talking about, and I compared the 2 QBs you started in those games. yours is significantly slower (and can be sacked by fairly slow LBs), while your opponents is at the top end in terms of QB speed, even hard to sack for a 50 Speed OLB. that would explain your lower sack percentage in head-to-head comparison. How dare you come up with a logical answer when Rock couldn't figure it out? The only option was obviously that there was a problem with the game  |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-03 23:11:32 (ID: 100106489) Report Abuse |
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I never did a head to head comparison. The comparison is the 18 league games where we both played the same teams. My QB speed is completely irrelevant to how many sacks my OLB is getting
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-06-03 23:20:17 (ID: 100106491) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
I never did a head to head comparison. The comparison is the 18 league games where we both played the same teams. My QB speed is completely irrelevant to how many sacks my OLB is getting ah, sry, I thought those stats where collected from your direct matchups Last edited on 2017-06-03 23:28:45 by Buddy Ryan |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-03 23:36:25 (ID: 100106492) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Gotcha. Yeah, that wouldn't be very useful data since we have completely different OLs and such. By comparing just the games where we played the same league opponents I can minimize both the "opposing squad" and the "opposing play calling" factors.
The difference in the skill levels between the players is quite stagger (double in some cases). So it is pretty shocking to see such a delta on sack proficiency given MLB speed is really the only factor where my team has a deficiency. Also, both of our teams were primarily blitzing out of the 3-4-4 (and the 3-3-5 to a lesser extent), so defensive play calling was similar (but not identical). Last edited on 2017-06-03 23:37:00 by Rock777 |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-06-03 23:48:03 (ID: 100106493) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
Gotcha. Yeah, that wouldn't be very useful data since we have completely different OLs and such. By comparing just the games where we played the same league opponents I can minimize both the "opposing squad" and the "opposing play calling" factors. yeah, makes complete sense. why did you chose this team though to compare your own against, considering the different skill levels? Rock777 wrote:
The difference in the skill levels between the players is quite stagger (double in some cases). So it is pretty shocking to see such a delta on sack proficiency given MLB speed is really the only factor where my team has a deficiency. Also, both of our teams were primarily blitzing out of the 3-4-4 (and the 3-3-5 to a lesser extent), so defensive play calling was similar (but not identical). that difference is definitly stark and interesting, but I'd agree with holly that since sacks occur in such low numbers, this still could be an outlier on both sides - your team underperforming, the other having a lucky, but not that sustainable trend during the same period. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-04 00:06:47 (ID: 100106494) Report Abuse |
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I looked at this team because they consistently have 3 or 4 LBs on the top of the league sack board every year. And the LBs don't look like anything special. So I wanted to see how they were getting 40 sacks a year, while my stud LB is lucky if he gets into the teens.
In season 22 my guys dominated the Admirals 1.1 sack board. Pete made a change to the engine sometime after that diminished the sacks in a big way for my team. All five of those guys were still starting for me in season 25, yet despite 3 additional seasons of training they have been incapable of getting sacks in Admirals 1.1 over the last two seasons. While young guys with half the skill ratings on this other team have been raking in sacks like crazy. |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-06-04 00:25:23 (ID: 100106495) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
I looked at this team because they consistently have 3 or 4 LBs on the top of the league sack board every year. And the LBs don't look like anything special. So I wanted to see how they were getting 40 sacks a year, while my stud LB is lucky if he gets into the teens. In season 22 my guys dominated the Admirals 1.1 sack board. Pete made a change to the engine sometime after that diminished the sacks in a big way for my team. All five of those guys were still starting for me in season 25, yet despite 3 additional seasons of training they have been incapable of getting sacks in Admirals 1.1 over the last two seasons. While young guys with half the skill ratings on this other team have been raking in sacks like crazy. Ware definitly should be a beast, and its curious that he doesnt perform accordingly, but you could upgrade on speed along the rest of your starting 3-4 guys I think a lot of managers have invested in fast LBs for blitzing and fast QBs to counter that during exactly that time frame, and I have no doubt the Admirals 1.1 has caught onto that too. Last edited on 2017-06-04 00:26:10 by Buddy Ryan |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-04 00:32:57 (ID: 100106496) Report Abuse |
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But he was a beast before. And Prater (the DL in front of him) is an even bigger beast. My OLB on the opposite side (as well as the DE on the opposite side) also has 50 speed. Its only my MLBs that aren't fast. Somehow my MLBs being slow seems to be creating a situation where my fast OLBs aren't getting sacks when they blitz... This is really what the original post was all about.
I have 3 strong MLBs with 50 Intelligence and Long Reach. So they should be able to stop the run over center and scoop up picks on inside passes. Picks are more important than sacks (they are how I get most of my TDs). So that's the role I want them to play. Its just that my OLBs are completely useless at the role I built them for (blitzing). |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-06-04 00:45:10 (ID: 100106497) Report Abuse |
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damn, I thought Theriault was playing opposite Ware, well so much for any advice when you dont know another team really well...
yeah, its weird that your OLBs dont perform like you'd expect in that case, given they should get enough help from the DEs breaking through |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-04 00:54:22 (ID: 100106498) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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These are the starting outside guys. Ware had 9 leagues sacks this year, and Spain had 3. Prater and Welch each had only 1, but that is because Pete toned down DE sacks.
DE Prater 50 STR, 49.2 SPD, 39 AGL, 47 TCK, 44 VIS, 44 FTW, 33 POS, 5 EXP DE Welch 45 STR, 50 SPD, 33 AGL, 40 TCK, 32 VIS, 33 FTW, 20 POS, 4 EXP (Sure Tackler) OLB Ware 49 STR, 47 SPD, 41 AGL, 48 TCK, 43 VIS, 12 FTW, 43 POS, 3.5 EXP (Track Star + 47.4 = 49.8 SPD) OLB Spain 44 STR, 50 SPD, 38 AGL, 45 TCK, 37 VIS, 23 FTW, 37 POS, 3.5 EXP Agility and experience look on the low side, but they are significantly higher than those young OLBs that are getting 2.5 times more sacks than Ware. Last edited on 2017-06-04 01:01:05 by Rock777 |
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