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oakbark
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posted: 2017-08-13 18:52:19 (ID: 100111452) Report Abuse |
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Fummer wrote:
I still reject the premise, that the reason for our low numbers are due to the numbers of regions/leagues. This is not a logic game for beginners. its hard to figure out for yourself, how things work. This should never be a "i started yesterday, i can win the whole thinlg today" game. But over the course of my time here (this club and the previous), ive seen great strides in helping newcomers get competitive. Pete could make the turtorial very standard(do this and you win), but it wouldnt be in the spirit of the game IMHO. And i dont see how less regions, leagues or league switching changes that. If you want to build you region, help those who enters by giving them advice, warnings about league 1 and 2 difficulties, etc. I agree that I don't think it will make much difference to the number of players by reducing the number of leagues, I think this argument detracts from the real benefit in my eyes. Reducing leagues will make the remaining leagues more competitive at every level for the remaining players, that's the reason I would advocate fewer leagues. Now the arguments against are well documented in many threads but the subject does keep coming up ...... |
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ivo17
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posted: 2017-08-13 18:53:10 (ID: 100111453) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse |
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Fummer wrote:
I still reject the premise, that the reason for our low numbers are due to the numbers of regions/leagues. This is not a logic game for beginners. its hard to figure out for yourself, how things work. This should never be a "i started yesterday, i can win the whole thing today" game. But over the course of my time here (this club and the previous), ive seen great strides in helping newcomers get competitive. Pete could make the turtorial very standard(do this and you win), but it wouldnt be in the spirit of the game IMHO. And i dont see how less regions, leagues or league switching changes that. If you want to build you region, help those who enters by giving them advice, warnings about league 1 and 2 difficulties, etc. I agree on that. I got help from Cheesehead when I started. He send me a link to that rza beginners guide. When I first opend it my head went spinning... holy sh*t, thats a lot to read. But taking it step by step, one thing at a time, I can say that my understanding of the game is more than basic right now. Of course I still need to figure out how to create the best playbook, but that will come in time. Just started to wrestle with that. Last edited on 2017-08-13 18:57:13 by ivo17 |
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Fummer
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posted: 2017-08-13 19:10:54 (ID: 100111456) Report Abuse |
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oakbark wrote:
Reducing leagues will make the remaining leagues more competitive at every level for the remaining players, that's the reason I would advocate fewer leagues. I rejoined in (late) s.21, and in my first NC final in admirals 2.1. I repeat, we (adm. 2.1) dont need more competition. Then i would never make the 1.1, let alone the elite. I checked the rest of the 2.x leagues, and i see were you are coming from, but please dont touch the ones that work. |
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noodle
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posted: 2017-08-14 10:03:17 (ID: 100111484) Report Abuse |
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Fummer wrote:I rejoined in (late) s.21, and in my first NC final in admirals 2.1. I repeat, we (adm. 2.1) dont need more competition. Then i would never make the 1.1, let alone the elite.
I checked the rest of the 2.x leagues, and i see were you are coming from, but please dont touch the ones that work. Agreed, Dragons 2.2 is very competitive at the moment which is great. my 3rd season and i have just made it to the conference champs and i really didnt think i would. if there are changes, even though i dont think there will be, please dont change dragons. I just want to be a voice for the status quo, or at least in my league. i dont quite get why people would change their league anyway, im assuming most people chose their league based on the times of games. dragons is 8pm GMT which was fine, now we are BST it is 9pm which for me i wish it was still 8pm but it isn't and i wouldnt ask for a change. its just how it is. to the people wanting a reduction of leagues, how would you organise the leagues by time? what if that reorganisation made people leave due to not being able to "watch" their games at the time they are played? how about some leagues then being over subscribed, do you make teams go to leagues they don't want to? |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-08-15 09:20:28 (ID: 100111570) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
I dont doubt your thoughts, but we should not discuss it on the "why should I enter a league level", when it is all about honor... Honestly I agree with you here Pete, I've had much more fun going 7-9 in Elite and fighting hard to get a few wins there than when I went 19-0 in Fire 1.1 winning every single game by at least 2 TDs. That being said, not everyone thinks this way and many managers have complained about the gap between 1.1 and Elite in the past and some are doing it now. I think it might be nice to find some sort of middle ground between the current situation and what these managers are asking for, no? |
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| posted: 2017-08-15 09:42:03 (ID: 100111571) Report Abuse | |
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Is there a middle between "doing it for the honor" and "doing it because of money"? I don't think so.
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-08-15 10:26:33 (ID: 100111574) Report Abuse |
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I think the middle ground would be trying to find a way to reduce the immense gap that there is between most 1.1 leagues and Elite.
Going from winning every game in the season by 2 TDs to not even winning half of the games is a huge step, don't you think? |
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Schwabe
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posted: 2017-08-15 10:57:15 (ID: 100111576) Report Abuse |
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If you want to have a smaller gap, help your league mates to come closer.
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2017-08-15 11:21:36 (ID: 100111577) Report Abuse |
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I do already, every time anyone asks me any question, from Fire or not, I try to answer it to the best of my knowledge in order to help them as much as possible.
That being said, since the gap between 1.1 and Elite being "too big" is a subject that has been coming up regularly for a couple of years, I feel like it might not be a bad idea to think of ways to help reduce this gap. |
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gabriel06
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posted: 2017-08-15 12:09:11 (ID: 100111582) Report Abuse |
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Its important, I feel, to remember why the Elite League was created in the first place.
It was because so many teams were 'too dominant' in their domestic Divisions and were getting no real challenges, other than from one or two teams - some exceptions, but generally the case. So the Elite League was set up so that the premier teams got more competition on a season by season basis, allowing some real kudos for winning that Bowl - but also allowing other teams a chance at winning their 1.1 Divisions and having a crack at Elite. I think the balance is pretty spot on. Yes - it is tough - hell, its supposed to be. I feel there could *maybe* be a slight financial gain by playing in the Elite league - it certainly shouldn't be a loss maker for any club in there - but maybe/hopefully that's something that the MediaCentre could be for, a bit further down the line. Ive seen Admirals teams be relegated from Elite with 10-6, 11-5 records in the regular season. There will be some anomalies, but the overall set up is, IMO, fair, balanced and makes sense for both teams that play in Elite - but also teams that are in 1.1, who can fight for glory without having to run into the real big boys that would ordinarily sweep up season in, season out, and having something else to aim for over and above 1.1 It is kudos....it is honour....its an achievement to get there and stay there....im not sure what else is needed really. |
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