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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-09-12 22:51:17 (ID: 100114171) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
From an O-Line point of view both teams didnt do well, I guess...No idea, why such teams are not doing better in their offseason to prepare well. dont you think that the lack of OL investments is a deliberate calculation by the front office? its seems that since they gave Wilson his big contract, they try to save money they give to him and their stars on D at OL. I think this is a bad development for the league and in line with the cynicism of a Ryan Grigson when he implied that its basically Lucks fault he has no protection, because hes earning too much himself... Imagine a GM saying that about Peyton Manning 10 years ago, that dude would have been gone the day after. and after years of talk about "its a QB league", "the league wants to protect its stars" - looking at Seattle and the NYG, no it doesnt. teams are gambling with the health of the faces of their franchises (both SB winners) to get lucky and potentially maximise short term success, if their QB somehow survives 16 games + playoffs... |
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Gambler75
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posted: 2017-09-13 00:42:56 (ID: 100114179) Report Abuse |
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Yeah the NY Daily News was serious blasting the GM ...
"GM Jerry Reese committed football malpractice by potentially wrecking the Giants season and must be held accountable. How could he make no meaningful additions to the beleaguered offensive line following last season’s struggles? The same five starters were back in there Sunday night against the Cowboys getting Eli Manning constantly harassed by a no-name defensive line, opening no holes for the running game and exposing Reese for his lack of action." At least the Seahawks GM *tried* making some moves, even if they don't look great so far: Luke Joeckel - Jaguars picked him #2 overall, and didn't pick up the final year of his rookie contract ... that says a lot. Oday Aboushi - tackle-type wingspan, but footwork terrible enough he has to play guard. Matt Tobin - traded a 7th round pick for him, basically LT depth / mentoring for Odhiambo. The starting tackles for both teams are 23, 23, 23, and 24 years old ... their GMs seem to have banked too much on them improving dramatically simply because they're young players.  |
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posted: 2017-09-13 11:18:08 (ID: 100114232) Report Abuse |
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MonsterT95 wrote:
We coudn't have hoped for a better opening away game. First Time in my life i've been ashamed being a Colts fan. Not even after 2011? Going 0-13 and end with 2-14 mut be hard, even if you knew you sucked for Luck. Colts owner is dreaming with a moving out from Indi to London.  |
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posted: 2017-09-13 13:41:16 (ID: 100114241) Report Abuse |
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Gambler75 wrote:Yeah the NY Daily News was serious blasting the GM ...
And quite right too. The Giants had more holes than I cared to count before last season so a free agent splurge was the only thing that had a chance of saving Reese's job. As it happened they pretty much all worked out & Landon Collins turned into a stud, but all that did was...save Reese's job. The O-line was terrible last year, and to do nothing to rectify that was absurd. Former Giant Geoff Schwartz wrote a great piece somewhere on Erik Flowers and how he just doesn't have the feet technique to maximise his size and potential, never gets them in the right place. And he's still failing that way. Richburg and Pugh are okay but everyone else is a swinging gate. We should have blown the bank going after Kevin Zeitler or Andrew Whitworth, and preferably both. Anything would have been better than sticking with what we have. The Giants have tried to mend their line through the draft with Pugh (1st round) and Richburg (2nd), but Flowers was a panic pick when the Redskins took Brandon Scherff ahead of us. The same thing happened last year when we also telegraphed our desire for Leonard Floyd who the Bears jumped ahead of us to pick, so we panic picked Eli Apple (who looks decent but was hardly a need). But O-line play in college ball has been panned repeatedly in the last year or two, talent level just isn't there with the proliferation of spread offences. There are fewer teams now that run a pro-style offence. Wisconsin keeps producing quality linemen and Florida State had, but Cam Erving has fallen off a cliff in the pros and Roderick Johnson was just a 5th round pick this season (with massive holes in his game). Flowers played at Miami but was a noticeable reach. There's not enough talent at the top and teams are having to reach and try patchwork combinations up front. |
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JbHeng
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posted: 2017-09-13 21:51:28 (ID: 100114268) Report Abuse |
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Amen to that. College play, and most of all, the pressure of result before education of the players, is making it so that college football does not prepare well for the NFL anymore.
What has been obvious, for QBs for examples, is now becoming critical for quality offensive linemen. The raw talent is probably still there, but the time needed to groom it is improving drastically, and this trend has been going on for too long so that there's actually neither veteran depth nor quality youth at the position for all 32 teams to have a decent OL. This is gonna impact the game in one of 2 ways. Either the NFL is gonna become college football with grown ups, or the NCAA is going to need to prioritize draft rankings over college accomplishments... |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-09-13 23:09:52 (ID: 100114270) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse |
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great points
 at the same time the pass rushing talent coming out of college seems to improve and has a golden age feel to it - there are so many "generational" players in the league and every draft seems to add to that.
since its hard to reverse such trends, I just hope the NFLs solution isnt to handcuff defenses even more, pass rush is the main attraction on that side of the ball. passes are getting out so fast already, dink+dunk supplants the running game and penalties pile up. we have great QBs under center, but because of bad edge protection, offenses look less competent, because its all about short stuff or extending plays with mobility to the point coverage just has to break down. sry if I sound too negative, but I've only been a fan since 2005/06, spending half of that fandom trying to understand the game, just to see it drastically change before our eyes and there is still more to come  Last edited on 2017-09-13 23:17:32 by Buddy Ryan |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-09-14 18:33:18 (ID: 100114307) Report Abuse |
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I heard the O line discussion on a few podcasts as well the last few days and for the need for perhaps a developmental league.
However...as a devil's advocate the nature of the NFL has been to exploit weaknesses in the system which causes a reaction to rectify that. The pass rushers golden age is hurting O line so what will the response be from creative teams. I heard one guy argue (ProFootballFocus podcast) that Seahawks just accept that their O line is bad and work around it (mobile QB and spend money on D instead of O line). What are your views on that? |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2017-09-14 19:45:07 (ID: 100114317) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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Cheesehead wrote:
I heard one guy argue (ProFootballFocus podcast) that Seahawks just accept that their O line is bad and work around it (mobile QB and spend money on D instead of O line). What are your views on that? thats also the suspicion I articulated in my second to last post in this thread I think they are not the only ones though, but its still a disgrace to risk your QBs health like that. a QBs mobility should be like his special feature, not his main trait the whole offense hinges on, because he has to run for his life to not even do something special, but to keep it functional...Last edited on 2017-09-14 21:41:33 by Buddy Ryan |
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JbHeng
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posted: 2017-09-15 08:06:22 (ID: 100114347) Report Abuse |
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I think we forgot the Bengals in the teams that sunk their OLine. They're coming to the ground so hard in the beginning of this season it serves them just right.
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posted: 2017-09-15 14:15:23 (ID: 100114363) Report Abuse |
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JbHeng wrote:
I think we forgot the Bengals in the teams that sunk their OLine. They're coming to the ground so hard in the beginning of this season it serves them just right. I don't know how much time Marvin Lewis got left. Looks like forever ago that the Bengals got one of the most promising young offenses and an Elite D... |
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