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Rock777
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posted: 2017-10-05 21:31:41 (ID: 100115641) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
For the loan system: any system collecting money to buy mnagers out from bankruptcy is a mistake from the beginning. People will start building upon it from the moment we introduce it. Promised! That was why I was suggesting keeping penalties such as not being able to bid on players. I think the system works well as is, but it does seem that the current system applies a harsh enough penalty that many players get discouraged and quit when they get into trouble. And there isn't an easy fix once you get stuck in that situation... I'm just wondering if the penalties are a bit too harsh on the fun factor, particularly for newbies. Not all players are going to be fiscally savvy; maybe we shouldn't be overly harsh? 
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Captain Jack
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posted: 2017-10-05 21:34:45 (ID: 100115642) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
I'd agree. Permitting any sort of collusion seems like a slippery slope. There is no way to really ensure its not the same person with two accounts. Probably not in the particular case, but for future cases, this will set a precedent that Pete is ok with teams pooling cash... Or if a team is leaving the game, it can just give all its money to a friend's team. Its nice that folks asked, but it would have been better if Pete didn't have to make a public comment... I do think its bad to completely lose young teams from the game due to financial difficulty. Jack's idea has merit. Or even a loan system that would keep teams from losing players (but still not able to sign new players). This is what worries me that it's the start of a slippery slope. Pete says it needs 3 managers to collude but why not? I have seen this happen in a previous game sim that I played where there were 4 members of the same family with teams. Also in this case (not that I have anything against Jenny. In fact I bought one of her players a while ago) it seems unfair. There was another manager fairly recently bewailing in the forum that no one would buy his players. He was told that was because his players were not good enough. Pete dismissed the loan system because people would build on it as soon as introduced but now allowing collusion a precedent is set. What is to stop future managers building on this? It would seem to me the best advice for a manager in financial difficulty would be to start again from scratch with a mentor assigned. Probably all mentors would be ok with doing this. I would certainly be happy to volunteer. |
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| posted: 2017-10-05 21:49:46 (ID: 100115643) Report Abuse | |
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To put some more sense on my post I would have to explain technical details, and the edges of these measurements in the background. For obvious reasons I won't do that.
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gnikeoj
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posted: 2017-10-06 04:57:19 (ID: 100115649) Report Abuse |
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Captain Jack wrote:
It would seem to me the best advice for a manager in financial difficulty would be to start again from scratch with a mentor assigned. Probably all mentors would be ok with doing this. I would certainly be happy to volunteer. This is not the best advice for a manager in financial difficulty. In my experience, you can keep playing. I've been in serious debt 2-3 times and played my way out of it. I don't think I'm lucky. I think I'm just stubborn. |
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jetto
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posted: 2017-10-06 06:42:54 (ID: 100115656) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
For the loan system: any system collecting money to buy mnagers out from bankruptcy is a mistake from the beginning. People will start building upon it from the moment we introduce it. Promised! Agree! |
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JennyHarper
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posted: 2017-10-06 09:50:38 (ID: 100115662) Report Abuse |
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While lying in bed early this morning, I was thinking of some kind of CVA option. All of your debts are written off, but with it comes some pretty harsh penalties. For example, a season long transfer embargo for both coaches and players, being blocked from the play-offs, all of your players cut until you reach the squad limit, all of your coaches are cut, all of your staff are cut, maybe even losing your first round pick in the draft. However, the advantage is you would have no debts and could start rebuilding your finances quicker... One season would be pretty much a write-off but you would be in a much better stead for the next season. Obviously, it would be a choice and if someone wanted to fight their way out of debt, they could do it that way.
Interesting debate on the ethics of deliberately buying a player at above market price and collision. Obviously I don't want to cheat the system or take advantage of anything, so I'll attempt to sell my remaining players who aren't terrible when I can pull some youth players to keep me above the squad limit in good faith and hope they're worth something. On the bright side, I'm down to 26 million debt, with a friendly to come tonight! Hopefully I won't lose too much progress come Sunday (unfortunately I'm away tomorrow). |
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Captain Jack
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posted: 2017-10-06 10:53:26 (ID: 100115663) Report Abuse |
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gnikeoj wrote:
Captain Jack wrote:
It would seem to me the best advice for a manager in financial difficulty would be to start again from scratch with a mentor assigned. Probably all mentors would be ok with doing this. I would certainly be happy to volunteer. This is not the best advice for a manager in financial difficulty. In my experience, you can keep playing. I've been in serious debt 2-3 times and played my way out of it. I don't think I'm lucky. I think I'm just stubborn. Maybe you're right. Although I've never been in serious debt I think my inclination would be to play my way out. I suppose it depends what kind of financial mess one is in, how good or bad the team are, if one has the time and/or inclination etc but, like you I would tend to take the stubborn approach. |
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Captain Jack
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posted: 2017-10-06 11:01:51 (ID: 100115664) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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JennyHarper wrote:
While lying in bed early this morning, I was thinking of some kind of CVA option. Gosh - that is dedication (I think  )
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... I'll attempt to sell my remaining players who aren't terrible when I can pull some youth players to keep me above the squad limit in good faith and hope they're worth something. One option would be to pull the best youth player you can every 'week' and then sell either that one or another one from the YA. They may not bring in millions but every little helps. If they don't sell then at least you can be developing them (and picking the best) in your YA for the future. Last edited on 2017-10-06 17:06:55 by Captain Jack |
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Fummer
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posted: 2017-10-06 13:11:26 (ID: 100115677) Report Abuse |
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After scouting and requiering caps on a handfull of defenders, id say they are worth at least 55 m (to me). No cheating, just my estimate, ive even payed more for less. Think Jenny will be fine soon.
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JennyHarper
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posted: 2017-10-11 09:23:33 (ID: 100115856) Report Abuse |
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Woo, I'm about to be debt free. One of my players is going for 30 million atm. I'll still sell at least one of the others to give me some breathing room, and my open my HR department to prevent this happening in the future.
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