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JonnyP
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posted: 2018-05-15 18:53:50 (ID: 100128657) Report Abuse |
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Yes, we probably needed more turnovers - fumbles especially, as they were a little too infrequent in the older versions of the engine.
But when such a high proportion of turnovers get returned for TD that's an issue. Might need the length of Int/Fum returns tweaking down significantly? Also the frequency of returns occurring could do with being reduced... |
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MonsterT95
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posted: 2018-05-15 19:52:47 (ID: 100128667) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Maybe we should wait a little bit more before analyzing the new engine, two official games aren't a sufficient sample IMHO.
(I know it's the same engine for scrimmages & friendly, but still) Last edited on 2018-05-15 19:53:34 by MonsterT95 |
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| posted: 2018-05-15 20:23:12 (ID: 100128672) Report Abuse | |
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Punt returns are an issue as far as I see so far.
Thanks pete... |
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oakbark
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posted: 2018-05-15 20:42:12 (ID: 100128673) Report Abuse |
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If the Interceptions thrown are increased due to repeated playcallingpenalty i can live with that. You keep calling a limited array of plays and routes will get jumped.
Fumbles were about right for RB/FB maybe a little low but a QB should be at a high risk of fumbling on a sack. A sack is far likely to result in a fumble than any other play. Fumbles on return games should be included too. It's difficult to gauge much at he moment until teams have adjusted gameplan for the new engine. I have also noticed quite a few chip shot FG being missed, although thus spreads back to last season so maybe it's a previous change. Lastly the 434 D seems underpowered still. I wonder if the solution here isn't involving the pass rush mechanics and that the role of a second DT in freeing the DE to break a block isn't too low. The 4 man line should be bringing about significantly more tackles for losses and pressures than it currently seems to. |
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MonsterT95
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posted: 2018-05-15 20:56:45 (ID: 100128676) Report Abuse |
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punch drunk wrote:
Punt returns are an issue as far as I see so far. Thanks pete... Take off your binoculars  |
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oakbark wrote:
Lastly the 434 D seems underpowered still. I wonder if the solution here isn't involving the pass rush mechanics and that the role of a second DT in freeing the DE to break a block isn't too low. The 4 man line should be bringing about significantly more tackles for losses and pressures than it currently seems to. Well the 4-3-4 is reality more of read - run stop defense - it was/is inherently susceptible vs pass . The 3-4-4 came into being to provide better pass defense and also to better contain flank rushing by those single speady back formations. |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2018-05-15 21:06:36 (ID: 100128680) Report Abuse |
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It's not the increased number of turnovers that is a problem - it's the fact that too many get immediately returned for TDs... this has been the case for a long time, but it only really has a significant detrimental impact now the turnover rate has been (seemingly) increased.
No big kick/punt returns in my games, my returners are still as ineffective as ever. |
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Gambler75
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posted: 2018-05-15 21:07:27 (ID: 100128681) Report Abuse |
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Average 2018 college NFL draft prospect fumble rate: 124.5 touches per.
NFL fumble rate: 1.16% of run plays, with 55% lost. Or one in ~153 touches. So, from everything I've seen - fumble rate is actually significantly higher here, I think it just *seems* not as bad, due to the TD return rate on Ints being drastically higher. NFL QB fumble rate: 18% of all sacks. Only 47% of those were lost. Very much the most common fumble, but 0% here. Obviously were Pete to implement that change, it would put MORE pressure on tuning FB blocking (as everyone would want that extra pass protection that much more), and even potentially tuning down sack rates a bit, 30+ sack LB'ers would cause far too much damage if QB fumbles happened at a rate like the NFL. Just my 2 cents.  |
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| posted: 2018-05-15 22:10:44 (ID: 100128687) Report Abuse | |
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Keep this going, guys...interesting read.
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oakbark
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posted: 2018-05-16 11:02:32 (ID: 100128700) Report Abuse |
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punch drunk wrote:
oakbark wrote:
Lastly the 434 D seems underpowered still. I wonder if the solution here isn't involving the pass rush mechanics and that the role of a second DT in freeing the DE to break a block isn't too low. The 4 man line should be bringing about significantly more tackles for losses and pressures than it currently seems to. Well the 4-3-4 is reality more of read - run stop defense - it was/is inherently susceptible vs pass . The 3-4-4 came into being to provide better pass defense and also to better contain flank rushing by those single speady back formations. That largely depends on scheme and players, many of the best pass defences have and continue to be run out of a base 4-3. Be that as it may, the strength of the 43 against the pass had often been the schemes that bring pressure with a four man line. It's hard to determine here In game but I feel the inherent weakness with current mechanics are largely down the replication of DT bringing inside pressure. In current game mechanics it seems the DT assists in freeing the DE. If that is the chosen mechanics i think to make the 43 viable it requires an adjustment to the assist given by the DT. , If the DT merely assists the DE by tying a G up and stopping him getting double team it doesn't accurately reflect the inside pressure the scheme can generate which is rendering the scheme less effective. Now the 43 should never be an answer to all offenses but should be an option. A 43 blitzing team should get a lot of pressure they should also be weakened to a QB who is unaffected by pressure and able to attack a weakened downfield. |
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