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Meitheisman
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posted: 2018-05-27 17:20:35 (ID: 100129195) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
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If you look at the player's stats he got 3 catches for 105 yards and 85 yards after the catch. This proves that each pass was 6/7 yards in the air and the rest of the distance was gained after the catch, in the case of the TD that's 77 yards after the catch. It proves NOT "each pass was 6/7 in the air and the rest of the distance was gained after the catch, in the case of the TD that's 77 yards after the catch". It proves the average of 3 catches, but not a certain play. Except that I looked at the play by play and each of the 3 passes is described the same way, without a distance and without saying that it's a screen pass so we know that all 3 passes were short passes. For better "proof" we can look at this game. Michael Lewis, the TE got 1 catch for 80 yards from the same play: Q3 3:07 1 and 10 to go on own 20, Hugh Lewis (OC) snaps the ball to Lewis Kirk (QB), Lewis Kirk (QB) selected Michael Lewis (TE/R) as target, the receiver of this inner right pass catches the ball, the tackle was missed by Egor Karadanov (FS/L), the result is a 80 yards pass (Pro set vs. 4-3-4) In the game stats he has 80 yards total and 75 yards after the catch so we know for sure that the pass traveled only 5 yards in the air. |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2018-05-27 17:22:48 (ID: 100129196) Report Abuse |
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Buddy Ryan wrote:
yeah I agree in that case its a bit weird. did not expect the FS in coverage on the TE on a short pass without any blitzing, that made me assume it was for 10+ yards I always interpret 4-4-3 in RZA as cover 1 zone. The FS has the lone deep zone. So the LB responsible for the Zone wher the catch was made slipped or botched his coverage and when the FS misses the tackle there is nobody home. And keep in mind, every RZA skill is already at 75% Max with 0 points so 36 Speed is actually 93% of guy with 50 Speed. So it is not a nobrainer that any of the other defenders will bring him down considering the angles and potential blockers out there. And not everybody plays with Ben Watson hustle  |
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Sharkn20
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posted: 2018-05-27 17:38:41 (ID: 100129198) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
Buddy Ryan wrote:
yeah I agree in that case its a bit weird. did not expect the FS in coverage on the TE on a short pass without any blitzing, that made me assume it was for 10+ yards I always interpret 4-4-3 in RZA as cover 1 zone. The FS has the lone deep zone. So the LB responsible for the Zone wher the catch was made slipped or botched his coverage and when the FS misses the tackle there is nobody home. And keep in mind, every RZA skill is already at 75% Max with 0 points so 36 Speed is actually 93% of guy with 50 Speed. So it is not a nobrainer that any of the other defenders will bring him down considering the angles and potential blockers out there. And not everybody plays with Ben Watson hustle You would asume that all of this so called experts know that the difference between 36.3 and 50 Speeds for the engine are just 3 or 4 points... But it seems that they forgot while they were criticising... I suggest you guys to open madden 18 for example run a slant route with a 95 Speed WR in the 9 yard line and have the rest of the defense with 99 Speed, the last defender misses the tackle and then see what happens, let's see if they can catch that 95 Speed WR in open field 
That's the risk of playing a cover 1 (4-4-3) defense, one missed tackle and you are fucked up. Last edited on 2018-05-27 17:40:09 by Sharkn20 |
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| posted: 2018-05-27 18:29:29 (ID: 100129199) Report Abuse | |
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Meitheisman wrote:
If you look at the player's stats he got 3 catches for 105 yards and 85 yards after the catch. This proves that each pass was 6/7 yards in the air and the rest of the distance was gained after the catch, in the case of the TD that's 77 yards after the catch. The point is Wrong defense formation. Wrong personnel on the field. The 4-4-3 got burned. |
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2018-05-27 18:54:01 (ID: 100129202) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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hollyhh2000 wrote:
Buddy Ryan wrote:
yeah I agree in that case its a bit weird. did not expect the FS in coverage on the TE on a short pass without any blitzing, that made me assume it was for 10+ yards I always interpret 4-4-3 in RZA as cover 1 zone. The FS has the lone deep zone. So the LB responsible for the Zone wher the catch was made slipped or botched his coverage and when the FS misses the tackle there is nobody home. And keep in mind, every RZA skill is already at 75% Max with 0 points so 36 Speed is actually 93% of guy with 50 Speed. So it is not a nobrainer that any of the other defenders will bring him down considering the angles and potential blockers out there. And not everybody plays with Ben Watson hustle yep, agreed, the visual representation of physicals and skills (on 0-50 when in reality they only show the last 25 % of the spectrum) makes us overconfident in our players true relative abilities  not saying that should be changed, just has to be kept in mind.
given circumstance and game situation, a "36" speed skill guy should be able to run away from for example "48" speed Ds if there was enough separation in the first place, guys on the wrong foot, missed assignements (vision/positioning/intelligence?), perfect timing by the QB to throw him open - lots of possible scenarios  Last edited on 2018-05-27 18:55:40 by Buddy Ryan |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2018-05-27 20:03:33 (ID: 100129205) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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punch drunk wrote:
Meitheisman wrote:
If you look at the player's stats he got 3 catches for 105 yards and 85 yards after the catch. This proves that each pass was 6/7 yards in the air and the rest of the distance was gained after the catch, in the case of the TD that's 77 yards after the catch. The point is Wrong defense formation. Wrong personnel on the field. The 4-4-3 got burned. The point is that the LBs should cover short passes. A pass under 10 yards to the right should fall where the LMLB and/or LOLB are. This is the 443 from the manual, the black box is basically where the pass was caught. What were the two LBs doing on the play? Link  Source: https://postimg.cc/image/x7anlwjd3/ Last edited on 2018-05-27 20:04:07 by Meitheisman |
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| posted: 2018-05-27 20:12:35 (ID: 100129209) Report Abuse | |
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Meitheisman wrote:
What were the two LBs doing on the play? At least not their duty |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2018-05-27 20:24:39 (ID: 100129211) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Meitheisman wrote:
What were the two LBs doing on the play? At least not their duty Do they ever do it? I've just searched a bunch of short passes to the TE from the Pro Set and not once was the TE tackled by the MLB or OLB for a short gain. |
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| posted: 2018-05-27 20:30:43 (ID: 100129213) Report Abuse | |
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It depends if the coverage was done by the OLB or the TE as example. It depends on the TEs route. It depens on the blitzing scheme of the defense as well. So many factors...
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2018-05-27 20:35:39 (ID: 100129214) Report Abuse |
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When we pick a defense with 4 LBs and do not blitz, I'm assuming that it is one of the LB's duty to cover short passes over the middle to the TE, is this correct?
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