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Poll: Should we allow managers to switch regions in offseason?,
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| posted: 2018-07-13 15:46:02 (ID: 100130569) Report Abuse | |||||||
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gabriel06 wrote:
pete wrote:
Is there a possible way of cheating...so manager A with team B exchanges positions with manager A, team C? only you know that....I was under the impression that no manager can manage or control two teams.....but it seems that is not the case. However : 1) if these two teams did try this, you could reject it, knowing there is a link and 2) if they did, of what benefit would it give them? its still swapping like for like? i would also argue that the vast majority for whom it could work very nicely should not be hampered by the very few who could look to abuse it. 2.) is the question we have to answer, because 1.) cannot be discussed without revealing too much of the anti cheating mechanims that is in place. And I am not talking about those very few managers having offically 2 teams under their control, because those managers are monitored very close. I am talking about the ones who make it around our anti cheating mechanism. We have such managers from time to time. Now, If I go further with the explanation, it would be kind of a manual for avoiding the anti cheating mechanism. |
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gabriel06
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posted: 2018-07-13 15:46:18 (ID: 100130570) Report Abuse | ||||||
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Mücke wrote:
More automatism, not bureaucratism Add a Yes/No check box "Want to change region at the end of the season?" into the players account settings page. Pls notice: There is no choice of a desired league. At season rollover everyone who ticked the box gets mixed up randomly into another region (same division of course). The random effect should also cause that one could get mixed back into the same region as before. shit should happen. 
and what if there is an imbalance of numbers? any odd number of managers would screw that up royally What if you have 1 x 1.1 manager and 3 x 2.2 managers applying? What if you have only managers applying from the same league? i could probably think of more, but ill stop at three. |
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gabriel06
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posted: 2018-07-13 15:54:54 (ID: 100130571) Report Abuse | ||||||
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pete wrote:
2.) is the question we have to answer, because 1.) cannot be discussed without revealing too much of the anti cheating mechanims that is in place. And I am not talking about those very few managers having offically 2 teams under their control, because those managers are monitored very close. I am talking about the ones who make it around our anti cheating mechanism. We have such managers from time to time. Now, If I go further with the explanation, it would be kind of a manual for avoiding the anti cheating mechanism. I fully understand and agree that all angles need looking at, and we should almost try to break this idea before considering it, but I really don't see much, if any, benefit. I think it is a simple process here. Team A and Team B communicate and say the would like to swap leagues. Both are at the same level (1.1 etc) and neither are being promoted or relegated. Both post on the forum saying we would like to change divisions during the close season next time around....Pete scrutinises for any sign of 'non genuine' intent....if non, allows it to happen. Draft stays the same as for promoted/relegated teams - next season play in swapped league. If, for any reason, Pete sees fit to deny swap, it is his prerogative to do so. No questions asked. I cannot think of a legitimate reason why this cant be applied. If a team wants to tank, they can do that without the need of going into another league. And there is no benefit to playing in the same league as another team to try and 'help' them out, as the TM is RZA wide, and the fixtures arent known until rollover. But thats all IMO. I'll pipe down for now and see what others say. |
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| posted: 2018-07-13 16:04:29 (ID: 100130572) Report Abuse | |||||||
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OK, so the path would be
Between season rollover and Draft Wednesday midnight: Manager A and B agree to exchange regions If the Anti Cheating Framework gives green light, go further League level equal? Go further... Swap leagues, this includes future league games because they were scheduled already Do not touch any other future games (Supercup and so on) Do not touch past games! Do not touch the draft that is happening at the moment - the manager drafts in his old league! If there are pledges for the Mediacenter, the teams take them with them away to their new league... Sap the spots finally, and immediately! That's it? |
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gabriel06
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posted: 2018-07-13 16:38:38 (ID: 100130573) Report Abuse | ||||||
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pete wrote:
OK, so the path would be Between season rollover and Draft Wednesday midnight: Manager A and B agree to exchange regions If the Anti Cheating Framework gives green light, go further League level equal? Go further... Swap leagues, this includes future league games because they were scheduled already Do not touch any other future games (Supercup and so on) Do not touch past games! Do not touch the draft that is happening at the moment - the manager drafts in his old league! If there are pledges for the Mediacenter, the teams take them with them away to their new league... Sap the spots finally, and immediately! That's it? Yep....that seems pretty much complete to me! |
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noodle
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posted: 2018-07-13 16:44:25 (ID: 100130574) Report Abuse | ||||||
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I voted no but if this were to happen I I think it needs to be by application as the last poster suggested. However this makes more work for Pete.
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2018-07-14 00:45:48 (ID: 100130581) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | ||||||
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I am fine with this under simple rules
1 1.1 team can only swap with other human controlled teams 2 2.2 team can swap with Bot teams(even if it cause a few tanker better for those to tank a season than to quit) 3 allow team who have loss 10 or more games to switch for a bot team if they wish. While I do not see my self leaving my league I do know many teams want a fresh start. And swicth to league filled with lesser teams or bots could provide that for them. Pete Do what you think is best Last edited on 2018-07-14 00:46:37 by andrew2scott2 |
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Radix
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posted: 2018-07-14 05:26:43 (ID: 100130583) Report Abuse | ||||||
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I agree with allowing switching leagues to happen but I disagree with several of the details posted above. If a manager feels that switching leagues is beneficial, they should be allowed to without having to swap human-for-human. They should also be able to choose their desired league, since they have different game times.
I also disagree that 1.1 teams should not be allowed to go to 2.x, in fact I feel the opposite. If a manager feels that there is benefit to switching, they should have to take some risk and start in 2.x for a season. If they really belong in 1.1 again, they will make it there shortly. This should limit people from becoming too fickle and also not penalize managers who were already in the 1.1 league that the manager wants to move to, because they would still have to earn it. I think it would work best if a manager declares which region they wish to move to at the end of the season, and then after calculating normal promotion/relegation spot changes, teams wishing to move to that region should be added to the pool for bot flush consideration. If the total number of human managers already in that region + the number of humans that want to transfer there is more than 96, not everyone will get added, with priority decided by normal bot flush rules. After this, the regular bot flush actually happens, and a few transferring teams might actually get promoted if there were enough spots in 1.1. Then, after the human spots in each region are decided between 1.1 and 2.x in every region, bot teams can be moved around between regions to fix any imbalances. It should be impossible to not end up at a balance. So it would go like this: -go to settings page and from dropdown list, s e l e c t region you wish to switch to at the end of the season (default is to not switch) -promoted/relegated teams are processed -system checks for each region's total human teams and adds the teams that want to move there -96 minus that number is the number of free spots (I will call it X) -take the top X teams wanting to transfer and add them to the 2.x pool, 1.1 teams are treated as priority over 2.x teams, use bot flush priority -system checks for how many 1.1 spots are open because of bots -promotes to fill those spots from 2.x teams and teams that transferred in using bot flush priority -there may be more than 64 bot teams in 2.x now, so balance them between all regions |
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posted: 2018-07-14 07:58:44 (ID: 100130584) Report Abuse | ||||||
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I can understand the frustration, and I think it could solve different kind of problems.
In admirals, they have loaded 2.x leagues, which is appealing for new managers, only to find out the competition is too hard for them and they quit RZA, while other 2.x leagues are no man's land, so yeah there could be a nice benefit. Then I trust Pete for any form of transfer he will allow. As always I will disagree about the mediacenter with xeno... but that's another (frustrating) problem... |
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CoachSimpson
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posted: 2018-07-14 08:23:19 (ID: 100130585) Report Abuse | ||||||
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I see the predicament of being "stuck" in a league. However, I think changing leagues could have a number of hidden agendas stuck to it.
The poll at hand is in my opinion to simplified, because it does not take into account all potential issues at hand. Such as alternative solutions. Hence my "No" to the question. I could see the option possible only if the team would relegate to a lower legue - such as going from 1.1 to 2.1 or 2.2. Secondly, the option of having a second team could be put to the table. Rules could be open announcement (aside from noting Pete a notion could be on teampage). Teams cannot be in same league nor trade with eachother. Only 1 team can reach Elite level at a time. |
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