no content
AdBlocker active?
It seems you are using software to block advertisements. You could help us if you could switch it off when visiting redzoneaction.org.
The reason is very simple: Advertisements help us running the site, to offer you the game in a good quality for free. So if you like the game, please support us by purchasing a Supporter Account or disabling the AdBlocker on this site.
Thank you very much!
| Main / Discussions / Brainstorming on training system overview Search Forum | |
| Navigation: |< < 1 2 3 7 8 9 > >| | |
| Poster | Message |
| posted: 2018-11-19 21:18:51 (ID: 100134547) Report Abuse | |
|
janos wrote:
Yes. if I own sg. I want to determine its price. And of course the price would not be less than a friendly income. So let's talk abount 5M instead of 500k as initial prices. True value is only reflected if the market is perfectly operating. I guess if you would raise the initial bid to 5m instead 500k, you would not sell the guy at all. |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
| posted: 2018-11-20 07:18:28 (ID: 100134552) Report Abuse | |
|
janos wrote:
jack6 wrote:
You say you need 8-10 for a game as DL, fine. I wrote 5 first string and 5 for backup/nextgen. There is no way one can manage 20 for the squad financially, unless they are young trainees. NFL teams have max. 10 DL's on roster and that covers all the defensive options. 8-10 for a game is basically the same as 5 starters and 5 backups/nextgen. If you like 5 starters and 3 to 5 backups, fine. 20 is no problem, if you develop a lot and try to sell them and do play many DLs in your lineup. Sure they are not all super guys, for that you need only 5 to 7 if playing a DL heavy system and therefore less in other positions, like LB. And this game is NOT the NFL and it is not to mirror the NFL. We have different roster sizes, no salery cap, giant stadiums and basically a different youth development system with drafties coming from a dimension different that ours.  |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
|
PJRAVENS
|
posted: 2018-11-20 09:08:25 (ID: 100134554) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
|
pete wrote:
janos wrote:
Yes. if I own sg. I want to determine its price. And of course the price would not be less than a friendly income. So let's talk abount 5M instead of 500k as initial prices. True value is only reflected if the market is perfectly operating. I guess if you would raise the initial bid to 5m instead 500k, you would not sell the guy at all. I think janos point is that it is too risky spent money to build players in order to sale them in a market with the demand is only for high quality players and where there are few buyers, and so low competition. If you can not choose the minimum price you risk to sell your player and lose your investment for "nothing". I am with him on this point. If you check the top transfers in the first 8 weeks of season 32 you can see that 32 player sold were free agents on a total of 80, 40% The total amount was 334M on free agents vs 413M (44.7%) So the demand is higher of the offer and the gap is filled by free agents. I know that buying free agents drain money away from the game, and this factor is needed. I am not complain about this and I am not asking to change anything. But just to answer I would not so sure the player would have not been sold for 5M  Last edited on 2018-11-20 09:58:42 by PJRAVENS |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
| posted: 2018-11-20 10:30:32 (ID: 100134557) Report Abuse | |
|
I understand this part.
If we would follow this proposal nothing changes. If the player sells for 5m, he was worth 5m, and that's it. If the player was sold for 500k, he was not worth 5m, this is OK as well. It has a reason we do not allow you to touch the asking price, and it was a lesson we learned the really hard way. |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
|
Mücke
|
posted: 2018-11-20 14:16:50 (ID: 100134565) Report Abuse |
|
pete wrote:
It has a reason we do not allow you to touch the asking price, and it was a lesson we learned the really hard way. Understandable, and absolutely legit for the upper-bound of the starting bid-price. But since this approach, as of today, also marks the lower-bound of the starting bid-price, you kick-out junior managers from market participation immediately. Junior managers are in need of new players to build their rosters. Wouldnt it be nice to create an environment where everyone can participate on TM from the start of a bidding process? It would also benefit the bidding-process from a psychological point of view. If no one is interested, im not interested too. If someone is interested, maybe im interested too. - - On a players "true" value: A players market price won't be determined by his skill-set, it will be determined by the amount interested buyers. Exercise: Pls try to sell the latest hyper trendsetting Fridge to Inuits in Arctic! - - On TM As a seller and from my perspective, the Transfermarket isnt a place where you create the income of your franchise. Its something that comes just on top of it. The benefit of selling a player is to open a roster spot AND get something in return from it. I would rather sell a player for $50k than not to sell at all. Sure, the more the merrier ($). But hope-your wish-comes-true isnt the way a market works. For those who are in financial trouble, its the same. Rather take the little reward and get rid of the weekly wage than getting nothing and cut him anyway. - - On complaining about selling price is too low: Go and try to change the system. Ring the bell for having Free Agents on TM during off-season only, for instance. Same goes for selling fridges (exercise above): Just raise the temperatur in Arctic by changing the climate. It works, you'll see 
|
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
| posted: 2018-11-20 14:28:47 (ID: 100134566) Report Abuse | |
|
Inuit and his fridge...
 Source: https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/edd7c472d08447988d87be2e107f55ed/narwhal-whale-meat-is-kept-in-the-fridge-after-the-hunting-season-aw1kmc.jpg |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
| posted: 2018-11-20 14:43:34 (ID: 100134569) Report Abuse | |
|
Mücke wrote:
But since this approach, as of today, also marks the lower-bound of the starting bid-price, you kick-out junior managers from market participation immediately. Junior managers are in need of new players to build their rosters. Do you mean here that a player should be able to lower the starting bid and that newer managers aren't able to put in a bid for the $1m and $2.5m players? |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
|
janos
|
posted: 2018-11-20 16:15:27 (ID: 100134570) Report Abuse |
|
Mücke wrote:
you kick-out junior managers from market participation immediately. Junior managers are in need of new players to build their rosters. Junior managers have millions free as their player wages are low, and their stadium is completed. I do not see the reason why to sacrifice the seller's interest here. On the other end I see Pete's point, that he wants to eliminate cheating. Mücke wrote:
On a players "true" value: A players market price won't be determined by his skill-set, it will be determined by the amount interested buyers. Let's not mix up value and market price. Market price represents true value only if the market operates perfectly. Example: You purchased a Ferrari for 1000Units earlier. Would you propose your Ferrari on the market for 10Units hoping, that the bidding process increases its price upto 1000? Mücke wrote:
For those who are in financial trouble, its the same. Rather take the little reward and get rid of the weekly wage than getting nothing and cut him anyway. An argument for justifying the acceptance the current situation on the market. The wage of the player doesn't bother me at all. (Less then 100k weekly) I expected, that I get the real value for him on the market, and it is annoying, that someone grabbed him for peanuts. So realized, that it is pretty difficult to get out of financial trouble now. Example: Company stocks are valued on the financial markets in a way, that how much cash flow it yields you in the future on a per share basis. (Dividend+reinvested profit) ... roughly If we use this valuation for players, how much cash flow do you think a 23yo CB with skill=40 (ca.) yields you throughout his remaining carreer? My guess is ca. 10M. |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
|
Mücke
|
posted: 2018-11-21 00:06:45 (ID: 100134589) Report Abuse |
|
pete wrote:
Inuit and his fridge... damnit, someone grabbed my business plan and changed climate already 
Jonny Utah wrote:
Do you mean here that a player* should be able to lower the starting bid and that newer managers aren't able to put in a bid for the $1m and $2.5m players? * player = human manager = rza gamer Yes, Jonny, the proposal is that managers should be able to set a lower starting bid-price. To be exact: They should be able to choose between 2 options (a and b) as: a: $50k b: the today's standard price determined by the engine janos wrote:
(Less then 100k weekly) I expected, that I get the real value for him on the market, and it is annoying, that someone grabbed him for peanuts. So realized, that it is pretty difficult to get out of financial trouble now. Janos, i understand your frustration. But at the moment there is no market for 1000U Ferraris. These days everyone's garage is full with Ferraris. uhm, btw, do you have Traktors? I would buy one. You say it is hard to get out of financial trouble. Was it hard to get in financial trouble? However, I hope you can manage your situation quickly without falling too deep. Good luck, buddy. |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
| posted: 2018-11-21 02:27:54 (ID: 100134591) Report Abuse | |
|
Mücke wrote:
Yes, Jonny, the proposal is that managers should be able to set a lower starting bid-price. To be exact: They should be able to choose between 2 options (a and b) as: a: $50k b: the today's standard price determined by the engine According to the manual, the rule is : the initial "Asking price" is based on the Highest paid skill. Highest paid skill__Asking price 1-15____________5,000 16-20___________7,500 21-25__________10,000 26-30__________50,000 No doubt ! I'd choose your option a ($50k). |
|
| Quote Reply Edit | |
| reply Mark this thread unread | |
| Navigation: |< < 1 2 3 7 8 9 > >| | |
| Main / Discussions / Brainstorming on training system overview | |
