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hollyhh2000
posted: 2019-05-14 12:14:07 (ID: 100139688) Report Abuse
Kanar wrote:
- 335 is maybe not the best option in this situation. 44% of the passes went in the middle which in Pete's mind probably means the inside WR run slants. With only 1 MLB against 2 WR, I would not be surprise the odds to stop the play suffer a bit. Know this analysis depends also a lot of your players. If your MLB2 is trash or slow, better not use it against speedy receivers.


last 2 seasons in what I call competetive games:
against SG4, 335 is better than 344 at average gain, completition %, sack % and int %

in total and just inside passes and just outside passes (i cant split sacks between inside & outside)

imo 335 is the best defense formation if you know the opponent will pass from SG4. maybe one of the dimes but the total number of downs played with dime is too low to trust the numbers.
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PJRAVENS
posted: 2019-05-14 12:21:55 (ID: 100139689) Report Abuse
hollyhh2000 wrote:
Kanar wrote:
- 335 is maybe not the best option in this situation. 44% of the passes went in the middle which in Pete's mind probably means the inside WR run slants. With only 1 MLB against 2 WR, I would not be surprise the odds to stop the play suffer a bit. Know this analysis depends also a lot of your players. If your MLB2 is trash or slow, better not use it against speedy receivers.


last 2 seasons in what I call competetive games:
against SG4, 335 is better than 344 at average gain, completition %, sack % and int %

in total and just inside passes and just outside passes (i cant split sacks between inside & outside)

imo 335 is the best defense formation if you know the opponent will pass from SG4. maybe one of the dimes but the total number of downs played with dime is too low to trust the numbers.


Thank you very much for the advice.
If I may ask … using 335 vs SG4 do you blitz with LB or SF?
In my low experience seems to me that simply covering without blitzing against a good QB is not enough …
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hollyhh2000
posted: 2019-05-14 12:30:30 (ID: 100139690) Report Abuse
blitzing has a huge statistical advantage against passing. I don't blitz Safeties (I think they take longer to the QB and it could be a big play if the SF is not there) but I always blitz 75% LB when I am sure the opponent will pass
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PJRAVENS
posted: 2019-05-14 12:41:42 (ID: 100139693)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
hollyhh2000 wrote:
blitzing has a huge statistical advantage against passing. I don't blitz Safeties (I think they take longer to the QB and it could be a big play if the SF is not there) but I always blitz 75% LB when I am sure the opponent will pass


Thanks, I usually do like this too ... mostly using 344 if I think my opponent will pass.
At the moment i cannot try 335 with blitzing SF because I do not have track star + fearsome SFs...
I tried also 443 (75% LB Blitz) against huge outide passing hoping an extra DL helps to open holes for the blitzing LB and the QB feels more pressure…
Many times I felt my defense was only watching my opponent passing without put pressure ...
Of course cover 1 is a risk compared to cover 3.
anyway for now too few times in order to build a useful statistic.

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posted: 2019-05-14 13:45:55 (ID: 100139695)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
hollyhh2000 wrote:
Kanar wrote:
- 335 is maybe not the best option in this situation. 44% of the passes went in the middle which in Pete's mind probably means the inside WR run slants. With only 1 MLB against 2 WR, I would not be surprise the odds to stop the play suffer a bit. Know this analysis depends also a lot of your players. If your MLB2 is trash or slow, better not use it against speedy receivers.


last 2 seasons in what I call competetive games:
against SG4, 335 is better than 344 at average gain, completition %, sack % and int %

in total and just inside passes and just outside passes (i cant split sacks between inside & outside)

imo 335 is the best defense formation if you know the opponent will pass from SG4. maybe one of the dimes but the total number of downs played with dime is too low to trust the numbers.


I do not think we can generalize it as a truth. Indeed it depends of your roster. If I take my example, my CB are trash (no DIME then) and I do not have a safety coach. Therefore I prefere to have 4 very strong and fast LB and have as few SF as possible on the field. As a result, I use most of the time 344. I do so, because I built my team to play with this strategy. It is a choice from the beginning.

Last edited on 2019-05-14 13:46:46 by Kanar

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posted: 2019-05-14 22:17:23 (ID: 100139715) Report Abuse
I read and think

Playing the Ravens for a possibly decisive SC match on Thursday I should not say that 344 is my fav but I switch things up so an offense does not get too used to it. Yesterday I tried 335 against SG2. Three sacks, no interception and 9,1 yards average gain for an opponent not even close to the Ravens. So my experience was similar to ptdocs. So I deduct that switching up defense formations is better than just doing the same one each time. What do you think ?
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posted: 2019-05-14 22:32:40 (ID: 100139716) Report Abuse
With all of the bye weeks over, here's a review of my pre-season predictions (in bold) with updated comments included:
ptdoc2017 wrote:
Without doing too much digging to see how teams have improved, there doesn't look to be too much intrigue as to who will win the divisions. I see it as:
Spartans (AC East) but Naprzód Marsz! is keeping it close in the standings and is positioning himself for a return to the playoffs

Schrodingers Cats (AC North) I completely whiffed on Gdansk Redskins, I figured he could challenge for a WC spot, but instead, he is challenging for a first round bye

DCW (AC South, though there definitely is room for a challenger) Too early to tell who wins the division, so the prediction looks good. With two games between Marife and DCW left on the schedule, the head-to-head winner will get the division, but both are going to the playoffs; an up-and-down season for Växjö Gladiators AFC who likely misses out of the WC (but look for him in the SC playoffs as he has had a very impressive SC season in a loaded division)

HighTowers (AC West)

Ravens (NC East) of course it is worth noting the surprise season from Kanard; La Spezia is the Växjö Gladiators of the NC (and fittingly these two squads played a great game against each other early in the season)

Munich (NC North) but the Philly Phoenix have had their moments this season and look good for the playoffs

Idrosburghi (NC South, assuming Dalton goes bot, which I think he does) I either overestimated Verona or underestimated Devon (or a bit of both). Verona could still pull this one out but Devon is in good shape to make it back to the playoffs

Dortmund (NC West)
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posted: 2019-05-15 05:11:24 (ID: 100139721) Report Abuse
The most interesting story could be NC South. I think Devon will make it. The schedule is pretty easy for the rest of the season with only one Tear 1 team on the way and several bot games.

Verona is intriguing. For years sandrez used a heavy passing strategy. Now they have one of the best OL in the league he uses an heavy rushing strategy. A more balanced approach would make him a Bowl candidate I think. Unfortunately for me and my PO hopes, the rest of the season is also very easy with plenty of bot games ahead.

I should normally finish at 8-8 this season. This will be definitely above expectations, but not enough to pass both Phily and Verona.

AC East will also worth the look with finally a sweet battle between two Hall of Famers.
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PJRAVENS
posted: 2019-05-15 07:01:22 (ID: 100139722)  Edits found: 2 Report Abuse
Buziano wrote:
I read and think

Playing the Ravens for a possibly decisive SC match on Thursday I should not say that 344 is my fav but I switch things up so an offense does not get too used to it. Yesterday I tried 335 against SG2. Three sacks, no interception and 9,1 yards average gain for an opponent not even close to the Ravens. So my experience was similar to ptdocs. So I deduct that switching up defense formations is better than just doing the same one each time. What do you think ?


I was thinking about your statement "offense does not get too used to it."
On defense you have already to guess if your opponent will pass (short medium long, and in which direction) or will run (in which direction) ....
Defense formations are like a short blankets.
If you cover your shoulder you discover your feets and vice versa.

I do not think an offense can react again seeing the defense formation you choise (there are not audibles) and it would be an huge advantage... if you add that we do not know how our opponent QB is able to choose the right target in passing plays ...
For example when you set in the playbook "pass/all directions" leaving him the choise he decides how pass (short / screen / medium or even long) and where (all directions) ... we do not know in how many cases he is able to choose the best target .... always ? sometime? maybe his INT here plays a role? who knows?
The same for a runner in rushing plays, how many times he can choose the best route?
For sure there is not a "best defense" against an offense formation but depend on many factors
Players on the field skills (your LB are better than SF?), coaches...
How many yards to 1st down, field position and even the current score...
If 3 & 1 SG4WR and you are expecting a short pass, I think it is better playing with 4 LB than 3 SF...
If 3 & 1 SG4WR, 2 minutes to the the end of the game your opponent is behind of 6 on 20 own field ... if you are expecting a long pass, I think it is better playing with 3 LB and 3 SF...
If 3 & 1 SG4WR, on opp 4 ... maybe you want to play without SF at all.

So it is not so easy talking about which between 335 or 344 fit better against SG4W... for sure there are cases in which the choose is only a matter of taste and depend of how may you trust your players on the field.

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posted: 2019-05-15 11:26:21 (ID: 100139727) Report Abuse
As a side note, Pete confirmed that unlike in offense, in defense there is no penalty for a team using the same formation again and again.
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