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| posted: 2019-08-21 15:22:37 (ID: 100142341) Report Abuse | |
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badgers wrote:
linkleo911 wrote:
I know I am not supposed to give new suggestions inside a specific suggestion thread but... One way to deal with the bot problem may be promote L2 (human) teams to replace de L1 bots in each region. We may keep the same structure we have right now and increase the number of humans in each league. We already have this. It's called BOT flush where all BOT teams from a higher division are automatically replaced by human teams from the lower division. Really? I did not paid attention at the end of the past 2 seasons. I did not see that happen on Dragons region... My bad (again)! |
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posted: 2019-08-21 15:30:26 (ID: 100142342) Report Abuse |
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No problem
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posted: 2019-08-21 15:55:18 (ID: 100142344) Edits found: 6 Report Abuse |
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Drogon wrote:
No matter how many bots. What do they become at the end of a season ? They are relegated, promoted ? And then, some new figures with bots per Div, Conf, League? If (and again if) one day RZA had a new region structure... I think the best would be in the first season divide equally the number of bot for each new region and then use the bot to fill free places starting from the upper league to the lower. Then from the second season manage the bot with the same rules we have now. I know that merge region is a very big problem because Region 1/ League 1 + Region 2/ League 1 can have more than 32 human teams!! And noone accepts to change region! Having an Elite + 2 Intermediate (same level) can help but doesn't guarantee anymore that your team relegate in the previous region… It is very difficult not only from the point of view of coding!! People start to play and leave, this is not an issue, it works like this. We are not suggesting a solution to avoid bots. Think RZA like a building with 8 floors in each floor there are 64 flats. You do not heve enough fuel to warm all the building. You can ask to the people to concentrate them in 4 floors and leave cold the remaining 4. you cannot ask people to do not leave, or stop people to come. I hope I undestood your question Last edited on 2019-08-21 16:17:54 by PJRAVENS |
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posted: 2019-08-21 19:33:58 (ID: 100142353) Report Abuse |
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I don't know about PJRAVENS, but I am definitely looking to avoid bots in league games.
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| posted: 2019-08-21 23:45:08 (ID: 100142357) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse | |
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PJRAVENS wrote:People start to play and leave, this is not an issue, it works like this.
We are not suggesting a solution to avoid bots. Agreed. Right. It's about amount of regions and having more human teams (which implies better competition). Can we have more human teams without having less bots ? (I don't think so). PJRAVENS wrote:
If (and again if) one day RZA had a new region structure... I think the best would be in the first season divide equally the number of bot for each new region and then use the bot to fill free places starting from the upper league to the lower. Then from the second season manage the bot with the same rules we have now. I know that merge region is a very big problem because Region 1/ League 1 + Region 2/ League 1 can have more than 32 human teams!! And noone accepts to change region! Having an Elite + 2 Intermediate (same level) can help but doesn't guarantee anymore that your team relegate in the previous region… The words say "teams merged".(sorry : not teams but regions) Ok, let's start a new season like that : things were arranged, situation frozen and we might even have no bots at the beginning. Once the RZA engine has been running for several seasons, what are the figures (humans & bots) ? How does it look like (better competition) ? PJRAVENS wrote:
Think RZA like a building with 8 floors in each floor there are 64 flats. You do not heve enough fuel to warm all the building. You can ask to the people to concentrate them in 4 floors and leave cold the remaining 4. you cannot ask people to do not leave, or stop people to come. I could reply it shows your situation is frozen (not cold but motionless). Might work well for a while. Would you ask newcomers to go to the remaining 4 cold floors ? Actually, what you considered as a solution consists in placing the people and you didn't change the structure. Like you would have moved the teams and did not change the structure. Last edited on 2019-08-22 10:00:07 by Drogon |
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posted: 2019-08-22 06:46:45 (ID: 100142361) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse |
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I know we are talking about a new RZA that will never happen...
Anyway I think I was not able to explain to you why the new structure would be able to concentrate the most of the human teams in the same leagues forever. The proposed structure is like a piramid (Pratically only one region!) New teams by promotion/bot flush go from the bottom to the top bot teams (created by who left) by relegation go from the top to the bottom No matter how many user will came (good news) or home many people leave. Humans always move toward the top, bots always to the bottom forever. Like now! but the current structure with 8 regions and three level is too wide and suffer (at least at the moment) in a lack of user. We could start with 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 = 480 places Will they not be enough? Drogon wrote:
Would you ask newcomers to go to the remaining 4 cold floors ? Nooo If more places are needed a new level will be added 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 8 (new) = 736 places Just to be clear I am talking about a theory I do not ask anything because I know a change like this could be easily an unaffordable effort in coding , and would be asking users to forget about the RZA they know and play with a totally new vision. Last edited on 2019-08-22 06:51:55 by PJRAVENS |
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| posted: 2019-08-22 10:27:42 (ID: 100142365) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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PJRAVENS wrote:
We could start with 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 = 480 places Will they not be enough? I don't know. PJRAVENS wrote:
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Would you ask newcomers to go to the remaining 4 cold floors ? Nooo If more places are needed a new level will be added 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 8 (new) = 736 places When more places are needed, you have to change your mind and go back to deal with the problem left behind : now, the new level requires more fuel again (which was already needed). It appears that, old structure and new structure, both have the same issue. PJRAVENS wrote:Anyway I think I was not able to explain to you why the new structure would be able to concentrate the most of the human teams in the same leagues forever.
My answer to the suggestion was : 1. Today I say no because I haven't seen any argument to convince me less regions would be better, and obviously what would be better. Last edited on 2019-08-22 11:43:43 by Drogon |
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posted: 2019-08-22 11:18:30 (ID: 100142367) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Drogon wrote:
My answer to the suggestion was : 1. Today I say no because I haven't seen any argument to convince me less regions would be better, and obviously what would be better. I am not asking you change your mind. your opinion is different from mine but is more than welcome. Last edited on 2019-08-22 11:18:55 by PJRAVENS |
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posted: 2019-08-22 14:34:04 (ID: 100142373) Report Abuse |
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I think his point is that you cannot dictate the number of new joiners, nor the number of teams going bot in the course of a season. Influx and outflow of bot teams is an unknown. We might consider some way to reapply bot flush more stringently. Not sure what that would do though.
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| posted: 2019-08-22 15:24:17 (ID: 100142377) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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I think that the greatest benefit of merging regions and (kind of) change the structure is to provide a better opportunity for development of new teams because we will have an extra level of league. Maybe in a short term we will have a much more "fair competition" as we will have more teams at the same stage of development.
To make my point clear: the actual structure has the Elite, the L1 and L2 leagues. When a team achieves the promotion for L1 (that is probably going to happen in 2 or 3 seasons) it will face a great number of teams with Elite experience (the ultimate level). And we usually see very bad campaigns in the first L1 season that ends in a relegation. So a team is too good for L2 and too bad for L1. So, by merging the regions, we could implement a third level of competition and make this transition from one level to the next more smooth. I hope you all can understand what I am trying to say  Last edited on 2019-08-22 16:27:03 by linkleo911 |
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